The devbundle branch should be mentioned so that the correct version of some of
the tools are used.
From: r...@robmensching.com
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 05:44:00 -0700
To: wix-devs@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [WiX-devs] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: Interested in helping
on 3.8
1. Right. So we do need a getting started guide for Git's use in WiX. I was
hoping we wouldn't need this since I don't see other projects adding one. But
if it helps we should do it.
2. I always use x86. MSBuild isn't on my path but I tend to use MSBuild v4 to
build stuff. In the end, we should get all reasonable permutations to work and
should error on things that are not supported. In tools\WixBuild.Tools.targets
is the CheckRequiredProperties target that we can enhance to ensure the build
is in the correct state before continuing.
3. That's the right file. The v3 manual on the website is built from the latest
"v3.x" build available which is v3.8 today so adding good stuff to that file
will help others in the future.
4. Historically there have been *very* few people interested in building Votive
(for example, I don't usually build it) so it is possible we could do more to
help people understand what's automatically turned off. I'm certainly open to
ideas.
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 8:20 AM, Christopher Painter <chr...@iswix.com> wrote:
I've used a number of SCC tools over the year and have only used Git in the
past month. It was GitHub though and a totally different experience. I
stumbled with Codeplex UI. They show you the source with a dropdown of
branches and a download button and you kind of expect that if I select wix38
it'll download wix38. It does not. Also they show you the clone command and
you think it'll get you on 38 but it doesn't. I did find a place where you
can look at history and download the changeset and that does get you wix38.
So this is going on at the same time I'm trying to figure out how to build the
source that I finally realize that I wasn't always getting the source that I
thought I was getting. Oh and I went down a rabbit hole of setting up Mecurial
based on Bob's old blog post when I didn't need to.
No, I don't expect a full tutorial but certainly 3-5 tips would probably help
a new guy like myself. :)
#2 - What is an empty cmd shell to you? x86 or x64? Which version of MSBuild
in the path? I don't expect all permutations to work, I just want to know
which permutation would be ideal.
#3- Seems like it should be mentioned here:
http://wixtoolset.org/documentation/manual/v3/wixdev/building_wix.html This
seems to be /src/chm/documents/wixdev/building_wix.html.md but I'm guessing
the website doesn't get it from the wix38 branch.
#4- That was the issue. I finally thought I had a good build but in reality I
had a votive.msi with 1 file it. It just happened to be I was very interested
in votive so the disappointment was more in realizing that I had a good build
but not a good full build and that I still had more to figure out before I
could start playing.
#5. Bummer agreed. I'll reset the VM and discover them again no doubt. :)
From: "Bruce Cran" <bc...@fusionio.com>
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 9:36 AM
To: "Windows Installer XML toolset developer mailing list"
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Subject: Re: [WiX-devs] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: Interested in helping on 3.8
At $work we mostly use Mercurial (previous jobs used CVS and ClearCase) and
colleagues struggled to learn git when they moved onto a new project. At a
minimum
we probably need to advise people to add “-b wix38” etc. when cloning the
repository.
--
Bruce
From: Rob Mensching [mailto:r...@robmensching.com]
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 3:27 PM
To: Christopher Painter; Windows Installer XML toolset developer mailing list
Subject: [WiX-devs] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: Interested in helping on 3.8
1. Do we need to write a tutorial for git for WiX toolset? I'd hoped git had
taken over the world enough that we don't need a tutorial how to download code
with it. No?
2. I use an empty cmd shell most of the time. Things *should* just work but if
you have a permutation that you used that didn't work we can try to get it
fixed. To be clear, there are a *lot* of configurations that could be tested.
It's
non-trivial.
3. That'd be a great thing to contribute. Can you add it to the documentation
where you thought it should have been spelled out?
4. That doesn't sound right. I have a machine with VS2008 and VS2010 and it
skips all VS2012 stuff. I now have a VS2012 machine and it skips all the VS2008
and VS2010 stuff. What issues did you have?
5. Bummer indeed.
That's how we got what we have today. There are a lot of permutations and I'm
do not have the time to create the VMs to test them all. Instead, if one has a
configuration that doesn't work, let's capture what we can from that and
improve.
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 7:13 AM, Christopher Painter <chr...@iswix.com> wrote:
Rob,
I agree it *is* much better then it used to be. Still, I did hit a number of
road bumps over the weekend. The problem is it's hard for me to write up any
suggestions because my conclusions could be all wrong. And it's hard for you
to identify the gaps due to
you already knowing the ins and outs. Make sense?
I think the process is pretty good as it stands now.... just more
documentation in the how to build wix needs to exist. I had to scrape several
sources (some old and outdated)
to get to a point of building. Some high level issues were:
1) Pulling source from CodePlex. Bob's blog talked about Mecurial but now it
seems to be Git. (Depending on what branch you are on?)
2) What version and bitness of vs command tools should be used? (I was getting
CreateItem task errors out of the nuget targets.)
3) It seems OneTimeWixBuildInitialization.proj has to be built as admin. The
help topic doesn't cover this.
4) It seems there are conditional compiles that are only enforced for an
"official build". Good design, but tough for a new guy that doesn't know this.
I had to turn to twitter to figure this out.
5) Others I sadly don't recall....
I guess my advice is start with a clean VM and pretend you don't know anything
about WiX and see what's involved in getting it all to build.
Regards,
Chris
From: "Rob Mensching" <r...@robmensching.com>
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 9:02 AM
To: "Windows Installer XML toolset developer mailing list"
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Subject: [WiX-devs] [SPAM] Re: Interested in helping on 3.8
Your notes and any thoughts on getting the WiX toolset build process easier
would be very useful. We've done work over last few releases to get WiX toolset
much easier to build
but if there is more we can do, we should do it. People still say there are
challenges building the WiX toolset.
If you're just getting started, a really easy bug to fix might be good place to
start. #4037 (http://wixtoolset.org/issues/4037/)
might be a good one.
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Phill Hogland <phogl...@rimage.com> wrote:
I am interested in offering any help I can provide. I am relatively new to
wix, msi, msbuild, c# but I have too many years of doing pure InstallScript
setups and C++ services and drivers. Please let me know how I can help
test, document, code, or whatever.
While waiting for my legal/management team to approve the assignment
agreement, approved and submitted to Outercurve this morning, in addition to
configuring my work development system to build the debug version of Wix
3.8, at home I created a new PC (Win 7 64, but I can load other OS),
installed VS2013, VS2013 SDK, Win 7 SDK, and the latest Wix 3.8 source code.
I have over the last several nights been trying to hack past problems with
building the full wix.proj, and keeping notes so I can report back if that
would be helpful. It wants me to install Win7 SDK (which is installed) or
VS2010 (which is not installed). So for now I am just trying to learn more
about the build process by researching these issues. But I am happy to
refocus on anything that would be more helpful.
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