So I don't expect that equivalence would have to be ASN.1 structures or DER/BER 
encodings. I would also not to have to support full objects like SignedData.

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard L. Barnes [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 7:38 AM
To: Anthony Nadalin
Cc: Paul Hoffman; Hannes Tschofenig; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [woes] New WOES charter proposal

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As I read that part of the charter, I understood it to suggest that there 
should be some sort of logical equivalence between the two encodings -- that 
the parts of the WOES object should correspond to some subset of the parts in a 
CMS object.  Kind of like the JSMS proposal does now.  

It seems like this gets around Sean's concern about re-designing a security 
protocol, and actually saves some design work, because you can push hard things 
off to RFC 5652.  At the same time, it keeps you free to make a compact 
encoding; you can use "s" instead of "Signer" as long as you say so in the spec.

--Richard



On Jul 7, 2011, at 9:18 PM, Anthony Nadalin wrote:

> Concern is if folks think that the same formats have to be preserved and same 
> algorithms, etc. If it is simply signing and encrypting and that can be done 
> in any format and algorithms then I think we are fine, but it should be made 
> a little clearer and say something like "similar signing and encrypting 
> function that CMS provides"
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Hoffman [mailto:[email protected]] 
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 4:18 PM
> To: Hannes Tschofenig
> Cc: Anthony Nadalin; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [woes] New WOES charter proposal
> 
> On Jul 7, 2011, at 4:06 PM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
> 
>> And what does it mean to "base it on CMS"? 
>> 
>> It could, for example, mean that 
>> 1) the same functionality as CMS has to be provided (but with a JSON 
>> encoding)
>> 2) folks should look at CMS to get inspired
>> 3) for a chosen subset of CMS that the JSON-based realization must be 
>> semantically equivalent (for example, to make translation easy or so)
>> 4) re-use of parts is encouraged (such as registries, etc.) 
>> 
>> What did you had in mind, Paul? 
> 
> I was reflecting an earlier message from our AD. On Jun 14, 2011, at 9:31 AM, 
> Sean Turner wrote:
> 
>> In Prague, I thought the goal was pretty straightforward: JSONize CMS.
> 
> 
> That seems clear to me. It's closer to your #1 above, but the rest of the 
> proposed charter makes it clear that it is a subset of CMS, namely signing 
> and encrypting.
> 
> --Paul Hoffman
> 
> 
> 
> 
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