I think my answer to Ron is probably identical to my answer to Hannes, so I am not going to retype it. A
> -----Original Message----- > From: Ronald Bonica [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 31 January 2013 15:14 > To: Hannes Tschofenig > Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: RE: [wpkops] FW: Adrian Farrel's Block on charter-ietf-wpkops-00-01: > (with BLOCK) > > > Me too! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 2:08 AM > > To: Ronald Bonica > > Cc: Hannes Tschofenig; [email protected]; [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [wpkops] FW: Adrian Farrel's Block on charter-ietf-wpkops- > > 00-01: (with BLOCK) > > > > Hi Ron, Hi Adrian, > > > > I am curious what the blocking objection is when the text that Adrian > > proposes does not in any way change the charter. > > > > Ciao > > Hannes > > > > On Jan 30, 2013, at 10:06 PM, Ronald Bonica wrote: > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > Adrian Farrel has posted a blocking objection to the proposed WPKOPS > > charter and offered alternative text (attached). IMHO, the text that > > Adrian proposes does not in any way change the WG's charter. > > > > > > Does anyone object to using Adrian's alternative text? > > > > > > Ron > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:[email protected]] > > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 12:47 PM > > >> To: Ronald Bonica; 'The IESG' > > >> Subject: RE: Adrian Farrel's Block on charter-ietf-wpkops-00-01: > > >> (with > > >> BLOCK) > > >> > > >> Alright Ron, > > >> > > >> How does the attached look? I believe I have captured all of the WG > > >> actions, and all of the out of scope items. > > >> > > >> But I have also tried to remove a lot of the explanation and > > history. > > >> I can believe this is interesting, but not that it belongs in the > > >> charter. > > >> > > >> If it is no good, throw it out and I will probably Noobj the charter > > >> (given the "urgency" :-) > > >> > > >> A > > >> > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > > Behalf > > >>> Of Ronald Bonica > > >>> Sent: 30 January 2013 15:12 > > >>> To: Adrian Farrel; The IESG > > >>> Subject: RE: Adrian Farrel's Block on charter-ietf-wpkops-00-01: > > >> (with > > >>> BLOCK) > > >>> > > >>> Adrian, > > >>> > > >>> The two paragraphs below, taken from the charter, tell you what the > > >> WG will do: > > >>> > > >>> "Starting from the premise that more consistency in Web security > > >>> behavior is desirable, a natural first step is to document current > > >> and > > >>> historic browser and server behavior, including: the trust model on > > >>> which they are based; the contents and processing of fields and > > >>> extensions; the processing of the various revocation schemes; and > > >>> how the TLS stack deals with PKI, including varying interpretations > > >>> and implementation errors, as well as state changes visible to the > > user. > > >>> Where appropriate, specific products and specific versions of those > > >>> products will be identified." > > >>> > > >>> "Future activities may attempt to prescribe how the Web PKI > > "should" > > >>> work, and the prescription may turn out to be a proper subset of > > the > > >>> PKIX PKI. However, that task is explicitly not a goal of the > > >> proposed > > >>> working group. Instead, the group's goal is merely to describe how > > >>> the Web PKI "actually" works in the set of browsers and servers > > that > > >>> are in common use today." > > >>> > > >>> I wouldn't fault the authors for providing "reams of background > > >> text". > > >>> When crafting this text, they were very aware of the fact that the > > >>> were writing to an audience that had no background in the area. > > >>> > > >>> If you want to take a crack at wordsmithing the charter, go for it. > > >>> > > >>> Ron > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > > >> Behalf > > >>>> Of Adrian Farrel > > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 9:37 AM > > >>>> To: The IESG > > >>>> Subject: Adrian Farrel's Block on charter-ietf-wpkops-00-01: (with > > >>>> BLOCK) > > >>>> > > >>>> Adrian Farrel has entered the following ballot position for > > >>>> charter-ietf-wpkops-00-01: Block > > >>>> > > >>>> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to > > >>>> all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to > > >>>> cut this introductory paragraph, however.) > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > - > > >> - > > >>>> -- > > >>>> BLOCK: > > >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > - > > >> - > > >>>> -- > > >>>> > > >>>> Look, I am in favor of forming this working group, but this is a > > >>>> really awful draft charter! Far too much waffle, and far too > > little > > >>>> about what the WG will actually do. > > >>>> > > >>>> I could have a stab at rewriting, but I doubt I know wnough about > > >>>> the topic to make a good job. > > >>>> > > >>>> Can someone tell me that the reams of text are actually needed, or > > >>>> can someone please take an axe to it. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > > > > > <wpkops.txt>_______________________________________________ > > > wpkops mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/wpkops > > _______________________________________________ wpkops mailing list [email protected] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/wpkops
