Yep. I responded to your message before reading your response to Hannes.
> -----Original Message----- > From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:40 AM > To: Ronald Bonica; 'Hannes Tschofenig' > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [wpkops] FW: Adrian Farrel's Block on charter-ietf-wpkops- > 00-01: (with BLOCK) > > I think my answer to Ron is probably identical to my answer to Hannes, > so I am not going to retype it. > A > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ronald Bonica [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: 31 January 2013 15:14 > > To: Hannes Tschofenig > > Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [wpkops] FW: Adrian Farrel's Block on charter-ietf- > wpkops-00-01: > > (with BLOCK) > > > > > > Me too! > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 2:08 AM > > > To: Ronald Bonica > > > Cc: Hannes Tschofenig; [email protected]; [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [wpkops] FW: Adrian Farrel's Block on > > > charter-ietf-wpkops- > > > 00-01: (with BLOCK) > > > > > > Hi Ron, Hi Adrian, > > > > > > I am curious what the blocking objection is when the text that > > > Adrian proposes does not in any way change the charter. > > > > > > Ciao > > > Hannes > > > > > > On Jan 30, 2013, at 10:06 PM, Ronald Bonica wrote: > > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > > > Adrian Farrel has posted a blocking objection to the proposed > > > > WPKOPS > > > charter and offered alternative text (attached). IMHO, the text > that > > > Adrian proposes does not in any way change the WG's charter. > > > > > > > > Does anyone object to using Adrian's alternative text? > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:[email protected]] > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 12:47 PM > > > >> To: Ronald Bonica; 'The IESG' > > > >> Subject: RE: Adrian Farrel's Block on charter-ietf-wpkops-00-01: > > > >> (with > > > >> BLOCK) > > > >> > > > >> Alright Ron, > > > >> > > > >> How does the attached look? I believe I have captured all of the > > > >> WG actions, and all of the out of scope items. > > > >> > > > >> But I have also tried to remove a lot of the explanation and > > > history. > > > >> I can believe this is interesting, but not that it belongs in > the > > > >> charter. > > > >> > > > >> If it is no good, throw it out and I will probably Noobj the > > > >> charter (given the "urgency" :-) > > > >> > > > >> A > > > >> > > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > > >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > > > Behalf > > > >>> Of Ronald Bonica > > > >>> Sent: 30 January 2013 15:12 > > > >>> To: Adrian Farrel; The IESG > > > >>> Subject: RE: Adrian Farrel's Block on charter-ietf-wpkops-00- > 01: > > > >> (with > > > >>> BLOCK) > > > >>> > > > >>> Adrian, > > > >>> > > > >>> The two paragraphs below, taken from the charter, tell you what > > > >>> the > > > >> WG will do: > > > >>> > > > >>> "Starting from the premise that more consistency in Web > security > > > >>> behavior is desirable, a natural first step is to document > > > >>> current > > > >> and > > > >>> historic browser and server behavior, including: the trust > model > > > >>> on which they are based; the contents and processing of fields > > > >>> and extensions; the processing of the various revocation > > > >>> schemes; and how the TLS stack deals with PKI, including > varying > > > >>> interpretations and implementation errors, as well as state > > > >>> changes visible to the > > > user. > > > >>> Where appropriate, specific products and specific versions of > > > >>> those products will be identified." > > > >>> > > > >>> "Future activities may attempt to prescribe how the Web PKI > > > "should" > > > >>> work, and the prescription may turn out to be a proper subset > of > > > the > > > >>> PKIX PKI. However, that task is explicitly not a goal of the > > > >> proposed > > > >>> working group. Instead, the group's goal is merely to describe > > > >>> how the Web PKI "actually" works in the set of browsers and > > > >>> servers > > > that > > > >>> are in common use today." > > > >>> > > > >>> I wouldn't fault the authors for providing "reams of background > > > >> text". > > > >>> When crafting this text, they were very aware of the fact that > > > >>> the were writing to an audience that had no background in the > area. > > > >>> > > > >>> If you want to take a crack at wordsmithing the charter, go for > it. > > > >>> > > > >>> Ron > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > > >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > > > >> Behalf > > > >>>> Of Adrian Farrel > > > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 9:37 AM > > > >>>> To: The IESG > > > >>>> Subject: Adrian Farrel's Block on charter-ietf-wpkops-00-01: > > > >>>> (with > > > >>>> BLOCK) > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Adrian Farrel has entered the following ballot position for > > > >>>> charter-ietf-wpkops-00-01: Block > > > >>>> > > > >>>> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply > > > >>>> to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel > > > >>>> free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > > >>>> --- > > > - > > > >> - > > > >>>> -- > > > >>>> BLOCK: > > > >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > > >>>> --- > > > - > > > >> - > > > >>>> -- > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Look, I am in favor of forming this working group, but this is > > > >>>> a really awful draft charter! Far too much waffle, and far too > > > little > > > >>>> about what the WG will actually do. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> I could have a stab at rewriting, but I doubt I know wnough > > > >>>> about the topic to make a good job. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Can someone tell me that the reams of text are actually > needed, > > > >>>> or can someone please take an axe to it. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > <wpkops.txt>_______________________________________________ > > > > wpkops mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/wpkops > > > > > _______________________________________________ wpkops mailing list [email protected] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/wpkops
