The "crazy wisdom" thing is definitly my "path" and i do recall that there are some Japanese zenists who had that approach in mind (or in "no mind") but I don't know what school they came from. I'm not much of a zen scholar, just crazy.
John Dr. John M. Bennett Curator, Avant Writing Collection Rare Books & Manuscripts Library The Ohio State University Libraries 1858 Neil Av Mall Columbus, OH 43210 USA (614) 292-3029 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.johnmbennett.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Trigilio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 2:17 pm Subject: Re: Fudge > Trungpa's version of Buddhism, "Crazy Wisdom," allowed for his > drinkingas part of its revisionary approach to Western > preconceptions of > Buddhism as quiet, hushed, ascetic. On one level, Crazy Wisdom is > intriguing, as it tries to achieve a state of mind both unatmed and > awakened -- feral and mindful all at once. But, yes, Trungpa also was > an alcoholic; and the infamous 1976 attack by Trungpa's followers on > Merwin and Dana Naone also says a lot about the limits of Crazy > Wisdom.I'm not sure how much (if any) of Crazy Wisdom is > assimilated in the > current Shambhala practice that grew out of Trungpa's teachings. My > sense, from limited experience with Shambhala practice, is that > it, too, > works within a context of vows against intoxication. But of course, > there's a difference between drinking and being intoxicated. > > My background and training is Mahayana, with its own vows against > intoxication. But in the Tantric framework of certain Mahayana > traditions, anything on earth can be a vehicle for diminishing > attachment to desire -- even desire itself. So the vows would be > guidesrather than strict prohibitions. Drinking, then, could be > as much a > part of the path as anything else (as odd as that could sound). > Perhapsthis does make some traditions of Mahayana relaxed about > drinking. > Tony > > > > Thomas savage wrote: > > > Could it be that Mahayanists are more relaxed about this than > > Theravadins? My Buddhist training is Theravada. Zen is > Mahayana so > > who knows? I remember the Tibetan teacher Chogyam Trungpa was > quite a > > drinker, also. > > > > */"John M. Bennett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: > > > > Hmmm, some of those Zen monks would/will enjoy sake from > time to > > time, and then there's what they called "tea head" obtained from > > drinking lots of cha. > > > > John > > > > At 01:38 PM 11/29/2005, you wrote: > > > >> I take it that you are referring to Christian, thus Catholic, > >> monks here. Didn't they used to make wine in monasteries in > >> France? It seems unlikely to me that Buddhist monks > anywhere in > >> the world would make either winre or fudge as this might be > >> encouraging intoxication, something wh! ich Buddhist monks > take a > >> precept to abstain from. Still the apparent reference to > mindful>> breathing at the end of your prose poem makes me > wonder. This > >> could be a completely imaginative work, in which case it > doesn't>> matter. Nevertheless, since there are really monks > in the > >> so-called real world, regardless of how sheltered they may > or may > >> not live from that world, it causes one to wonder. > >> > >> */Sheila Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: > >> > >> Monks are making it to sell. I first wrote see, then > >> frist. What is the matter with t! his morning except the > >> voltage of unkindness streaming through the net. My > >> fingers on the keyboard pick up messages no one > >> believes were sent. Dear, Hannah,how deeply did you > >> absorb? The body chemistry becomes pseudonymous with > >> fibers in the hundreds in the thousands gradually > >> self-multiplied. My cha is gen mai. I know the word > >> f! or tea from JMB. When monks have finished making > >> sweets they may return to cells. When monks return to > >> cells they pray. The swift rays of the sun are > >> measured at a speed greater than crying. 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