On Sun, 16 May 2004, theGrafixGuy wrote: > <quote>(the web is not the (Internet)<quote>
Yes that was correct. > > You are CORRECT in that, the Internet is a part of the web. However, > RESPECTFULLY, you sir are completely INCORRECT in the claim that SPAM is NOT > on topic. To say so would be like claiming the tail is not part of the cat > and therefore should be ignored. The Internet is _not_ part of the web. The web is part of the internet. > To define - let us go to look up the terms. > > The "Internet" is the largest internet and is composed of backbone networks, > mid-level networks and stub networks. (source: dictionary.com) > > The World Wide Web, commonly referred to as the "web", primarily in the form > of html and http is the most commonly known aspect of the Internet. However, > the World Wide Web consists of a wide array of protocols and communications > standards that range far beyond http and include EVERYTHING from internet to > FTP, Gopher, Telnet, news as well as via the http protocol to transfer > hypertext documents. (source: dictionary.com ) None of those are for email. > e-mail - A system for sending and receiving messages electronically over a > computer network, as between personal computers. And also: A message or > messages sent or received by such a system. (source: dictionary.com ) Definately not an http protocol. > > The group is the WEB Standards Group - correct? "Web" equals WORLD WIDE WEB. > And the definitions are above - The group is NOT called the Internet > Standards Group, nor is it called the http standards group, By the Group's > own name, it leads itself to a broad category covering accessibility and > many many other issues regarding use and design of the Internet as well as > FTP, Telnet and so on. Yes it is the Web Standards Group and not an email standards group, that is a different protocol. At this point I realised you need to do some serious research on how all these protocols fit together to make up the Internet. > > As we are dealing in semantics here, (which is the norm as CSS is very > semantic is it not?), the proper statement should have been that SPAM is not > a preferred topic rather than an OFF-TOPIC matter) Off topic would > incorrectly imply that SPAM is not e-mail and e-mail is not part of the Web > which is a HUGE network. Spam is an abuse of email. The point you seem to missunderstand, and need to research is that email is not part of the web it is a part of the internet. The web is also part of the internet > > Just like coding in CSS and HTML, it's all a matter of definition (You can't > use an <img> tag to add properties to text! And by strict definition the > subject is on topic. I however will digress and accept that it is not a > preferred topic of discussion. As email/spam is not part of the web it is definately off topic. You are in fact suggesting that any topic related to the internet should be on topic, which means, according to your wishes, everything is on topic. Now lets drop this and get back to web standards. -- Regards, | Lions District 201 Q3 Rob Unsworth | IT & Internet Chairman Ipswich, Australia | http://www.lionsq3.asn.au ------------------------------------------------- ***************************************************** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *****************************************************
