Hi Paul,

> "Keep in mind that not many people here will want to help you
> sort out a
> design that uses tables for layout."
>
> Are we not being a bit classist?

I don't think so. This is from the guidelines:

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We encourage people to ask for help on the list. One of the primary goals of
this group is to help members move towards building sites that are standards
compliant, so we do not want to stop members posting questions of this
nature to the list - in fact, we encourage it!
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The site in question heavily uses tables, not just for simple layout issues
like multiple columns. It has a lot of other issues like px based font sizes
and even me with decent eyesight have difficulty reading some of the text
with no option to scale it up (in IE). There are some convention issues in
there. I strongly suggest thinking about naming conventions. Never make
class or ID names the same as element names (e.g. this site uses .body).

What I was trying to do was give the member possible reasons why no-one had
answered the post (they may have off list but we don't know that).

I looked at it at the time, hit the validator and closed the browser, I
assume others did the same. Later (as no-one had answered) I looked again
(in the code this time) and found a site that it will be very difficult to
diagnose due to the way it has been built.

I don't think I'm classist at all, if I go to help you with a problem and
you haven't done the basics to make it easy for me to help you, I don't have
the time spend wading through it. Who knows (without spending an hour on it)
what effect the 125 errors has on the issue in question. If it was using
tables to simply sort out a column issue or similar I wouldn't have
mentioned it.

I was trying to be gentle and still provide some level of help. I guess we
missed that train.

My apologies to Jeff as this has gone a bit deeper than I wanted it too and
maybe I should have handled it all off-list.

P


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