>> This would be due to the point about indexicality I mentioned. > This would be the point where I'd say the whole discussion on semantics risks > disappearing up it own behind...no offense.
none taken :D > "You want to do web design, eh? Well, get onto the semiotics and linguistics > course for the next 10 years and then we'll talk about it..." well, it was only 9 years in my case ;D >> Ideally, a heading is something which describes and encapsulates that >> which comes thereafter. Because an logo is indexical, it alone >> (usually) describes >> nothing - it requires a context for that. > I'd say it defines that what follows belongs to the entity identified by said > logo...but I think we may end up in rather philosophical discussions here and > lose touch with reality ;) I think we could agree that the relationship is symbiotic?! ;) However, the point about "reality": there is, of course, a serious and practical point to the discussion - we want people to be able to write clean, 'semantic' code. Also, developers who work with Java, PHP etc etc are required to write 'object'-oriented code. However, in my experience, there are very few people who are any good at identifying what something _is_ in order to mark it up semantically or turn it into an object. The reality is that asking "what is the correct way to markup a company logo?" _is_ a philosophical question!! :D >> Is an image tag the correct way (semantically) to mark-up that text? > A company's identity is more than just its name. The logo, the typeface used, > the colours, all play an integral part, imho. Hence an image seems to me the > best compromise (until we get sophisticated mechanisms like SVG to work > consistently in all browsers). I agree with your point here completely. However, in pragmatic (;)) terms, with current technology, text is just the only solution which conveys meaning to _all_ users (not just those using graphical browsers on a desktop PC) - and the correct way to markup text is not as an image (i.e. as alt text in your example). Where the other methods are available (colour, font, other visual or audio medium), these can be used by overwriting the default handling of a particular element through CSS, Javascript etc (as long as this does not interfere with the availability of the 'generic foundation'; i.e. the text) QED: Use image replacement for logos (over h1 heading) where possible! > Still good to have a "principled" discussion though...makes our lives as > standardistas soo much more mysterious to the outside world ;) Exactly :D .... there are always 'principles' beneath quotitidan concerns: even endless debates on font-sizes and heading structures ;) C ******************************************************************************** DISCLAIMER: This e-mail is confidential and should not be used by anyone who is not the original intended recipient. If you have received this e-mail in error please inform the sender and delete it from your mailbox or any other storage mechanism. Neither Macmillan Publishers Limited nor any of its agents accept liability for any statements made which are clearly the sender's own and not expressly made on behalf of Macmillan Publishers Limited or one of its agents. Please note that neither Macmillan Publishers Limited nor any of its agents accept any responsibility for viruses that may be contained in this e-mail or its attachments and it is your responsibility to scan the e-mail and attachments (if any). No contracts may be concluded on behalf of Macmillan Publishers Limited or its agents by means of e-mail communication. Macmillan Publishers Limited Registered in England and Wales with registered number 785998 Registered Office Brunel Road, Houndmills, Basingstoke RG21 6XS ******************************************************************************** ****************************************************** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ******************************************************
