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From: "Frank Palinkas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:10:33 +0200
Subject: RE: [WSG] To target or not
Hi Matthew,
Being the tech writer for a software dev division, when calling
context-sensitive help from a web form is needed I use unobtrusive
DOM/Javascript to either let a user open a popup within the app window
(traditional method) or call the help from within (embedded) each form
field.
I have a new Fast Track tutorial in final draft demonstrating how to
accomplish both methods titled "Calling Context-Sensitive Help with
Unobtrusive DOM/JavaScript". These methods are not limited to web
forms
and
can be applied in other ways if needed. If it would help you, please
contact
me off-list and I can email you (or anyone else interested) a small
zipped
package of the tutorial project folder containing the markup, content,
.css,
images and DOM/JavaScript.
Kind regards,
Frank M. Palinkas
Microsoft M.V.P. - Windows Help
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On
Behalf Of Matthew Ohlman
Sent: Friday, 13 July, 2007 4:21 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [WSG] To target or not
Hello List,
I was curious what others opinions were on this issue...
Since W3C doesn't allow the target attribute in XHTML Strict, which do
you think is better? Having the window opening up with JavaScript or
just keeping the page in the same window like W3C wants.
I assume the reason for not allowing the target attribute is for
accessibility--because screen readers can not control pop-ups.
Therefore it seems logical to me to keep it in the same window--
even if
it is an external site, etc.
What does everyone think?
Matthew
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From: "ByteDreams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 01:31:10 -0400
Subject: RE: [WSG] Javascript image rotator
On this jQuery examples page is a something similar to what you
want, using
the jQuery library and unordered list with links. I guess if you
enclose
the script within a condition like if javascript=true that would
take care
of folks that disable javascript. I'm not a javascript programmer,
however,
but you might be able to figure something out.
http://medienfreunde.com/lab/innerfade/
ByteDreams
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Behalf Of Paul Collins
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 7:45 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [WSG] Javascript image rotator
Hi all,
I thought this would be an easy one to Google, but yet I find myself
here again asking your professional opinions :)
Trying to find a script for random image rotation on a website.
Meaning the images would rotate every 5 seconds or so automatically,
without the need for a refresh. The only requirements would be:
- A fade effect between the rotating images.
- A fall back so users without javascript will still get a single
image.
Any links would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers
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From: "ByteDreams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 01:35:56 -0400
Subject: RE: [WSG] Javascript image rotator
Oops, seems I sent the msg too soon, and someone already
recommended the
same site.
Another thought, instead of searching image rotator, have you
searched for
"slideshows"?
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Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 7:45 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [WSG] Javascript image rotator
Hi all,
I thought this would be an easy one to Google, but yet I find myself
here again asking your professional opinions :)
Trying to find a script for random image rotation on a website.
Meaning the images would rotate every 5 seconds or so automatically,
without the need for a refresh. The only requirements would be:
- A fade effect between the rotating images.
- A fall back so users without javascript will still get a single
image.
Any links would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers
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From: Micky Hulse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:52:37 -0700
Subject: Re: [WSG] Javascript image rotator
For my last project I used this:
<http://www.electricprism.com/aeron/slideshow/>
You can simplify it down to fading transitions with random image
display. It will display a placeholder image of your choosing if JS is
not available.
I have yet to find an equivalent JS slideshow.
Uses mootools. I am not the biggest fan of the mootools documentation
and/or forum support, but it is pretty lieghtweight js framework.
The Slideshow itself is pretty good from a JS perspective... I mean, I
do think it could be a little more decoupled from the CSS/HTML, but
overall I think it is well written.
Good luck!
Cheers,
Micky
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From: "Maria Solange Siebra Borges"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:06:04 -0400
Subject: Re: [WSG] Visual Design Of Websites - ADMIN - very close
to closing thread!
i m sorry,l"ll be right back
2007/7/12, russ - maxdesign <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
OK, this is not pointed at any one person...
Lets get this thread back on topic and into more helpful, positive
dialog
-
NOW!
Otherwise the thread will be closed and you will all have to go to
your
rooms without supper!
Russ
(with wooden spoon!)
If people are as severly misguided as you believe, and your
opinion is
this controversial, you owe it to yourself (let alone us) to
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:08:21 -0400
Subject: Re: [WSG] Javascript image rotator
From: "Micky Hulse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
For my last project I used this:
<http://www.electricprism.com/aeron/slideshow/>
You can simplify it down to fading transitions with random image
display. It will display a placeholder image of your choosing if
JS is
not available.
I have yet to find an equivalent JS slideshow.
Uses mootools. I am not the biggest fan of the mootools documentation
and/or forum support, but it is pretty lieghtweight js framework.
The Slideshow itself is pretty good from a JS perspective... I
mean, I
do think it could be a little more decoupled from the CSS/HTML, but
overall I think it is well written.
The animations are cool but if one optimizes images for the web then
there's not much to work with and you're back to a cross-fade. All the
animations are jittery in Firefox, which is normal, and there does not
seem to be a fallback if script is disabled to at least be able to
link
to all of the images. I'm obviously a bit prejudiced, but I kind of
think this one is more usable:
http://www.projectseven.com/products/galleries/ssm/ssm 03.htm
It's not free, though... but it is totally automated for Adobe Studio
users.
--
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http://www.projectseven.com
Extending Dreamweaver - Nav Systems | Galleries | Widgets
Authors: "42nd Street: Mastering the Art of CSS Design"
From: "Maria Solange Siebra Borges"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:09:44 -0400
Subject: Re: [WSG] Javascript image rotator
Im sorry ocupation,l"ll be right back ,you must be patient! solange
2007/7/12, Paul Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Hi all,
I thought this would be an easy one to Google, but yet I find myself
here again asking your professional opinions :)
Trying to find a script for random image rotation on a website.
Meaning the images would rotate every 5 seconds or so automatically,
without the need for a refresh. The only requirements would be:
- A fade effect between the rotating images.
- A fall back so users without javascript will still get a single
image.
Any links would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers
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From: "Maria Solange Siebra Borges"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:12:32 -0400
Subject: Re: [WSG] Javascript image rotator
I m Sorry!you must be patient,I m ocupation ,I m learngin
now....God bless
you!! Solange
2007/7/13, Micky Hulse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
For my last project I used this:
<http://www.electricprism.com/aeron/slideshow/>
You can simplify it down to fading transitions with random image
display. It will display a placeholder image of your choosing if
JS is
not available.
I have yet to find an equivalent JS slideshow.
Uses mootools. I am not the biggest fan of the mootools documentation
and/or forum support, but it is pretty lieghtweight js framework.
The Slideshow itself is pretty good from a JS perspective... I
mean, I
do think it could be a little more decoupled from the CSS/HTML, but
overall I think it is well written.
Good luck!
Cheers,
Micky
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:15:05 -0400
Subject: Re: [WSG] Visual Design Of Websites - ADMIN - very close
to closing thread!
tomorrow see you !!bye solange
2007/7/13, Maria Solange Siebra Borges
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
:
i m sorry,l"ll be right back
2007/7/12, russ - maxdesign <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
OK, this is not pointed at any one person...
Lets get this thread back on topic and into more helpful, positive
dialog -
NOW!
Otherwise the thread will be closed and you will all have to go
to your
rooms without supper!
Russ
(with wooden spoon!)
If people are as severly misguided as you believe, and your
opinion is
this controversial, you owe it to yourself (let alone us) to
elaborate
on why this is the case.
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:16:10 -0400
Subject: Re: [WSG] Javascript image rotator
Tomorrow see you!! bye solange
2007/7/13, Al Sparber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
From: "Micky Hulse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
For my last project I used this:
<http://www.electricprism.com/aeron/slideshow/>
You can simplify it down to fading transitions with random image
display. It will display a placeholder image of your choosing if
JS is
not available.
I have yet to find an equivalent JS slideshow.
Uses mootools. I am not the biggest fan of the mootools
documentation
and/or forum support, but it is pretty lieghtweight js framework.
The Slideshow itself is pretty good from a JS perspective... I
mean, I
do think it could be a little more decoupled from the CSS/HTML, but
overall I think it is well written.
The animations are cool but if one optimizes images for the web then
there's not much to work with and you're back to a cross-fade. All
the
animations are jittery in Firefox, which is normal, and there does
not seem
to be a fallback if script is disabled to at least be able to link
to all of
the images. I'm obviously a bit prejudiced, but I kind of think
this one is
more usable:
http://www.projectseven.com/products/galleries/ssm/ssm_03.htm
It's not free, though... but it is totally automated for Adobe Studio
users.
--
Al Sparber - PVII
http://www.projectseven.com
Extending Dreamweaver - Nav Systems | Galleries | Widgets
Authors: "42nd Street: Mastering the Art of CSS Design"
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Subject: Re: [WSG] To target or not
tomorrow see you!! bye solange
2007/7/12, Matthew Ohlman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Hello List,
I was curious what others opinions were on this issue...
Since W3C doesn't allow the target attribute in XHTML Strict,
which do
you think is better? Having the window opening up with JavaScript or
just keeping the page in the same window like W3C wants.
I assume the reason for not allowing the target attribute is for
accessibility--because screen readers can not control pop-ups.
Therefore it seems logical to me to keep it in the same window--
even if
it is an external site, etc.
What does everyone think?
Matthew
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From: "Maria Solange Siebra Borges"
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:19:58 -0400
Subject: Re: [WSG] Visual Design Of Websites - THREAD CLOSED
tomorrow see later !!bye solange
2007/7/12, russ - maxdesign <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
THIS THREAD IS CLOSED
This is the second reply to a closed thread. No more!
The list guidelines state:
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Thanks
Russ
on 13/7/07 12:51 AM, Bruce at wrote:
"...As long as you have an endless appetite for learning more and
more
all
over the board, before you know it you'll be pretty far along
with your
knowledge...."
There really is no end to it, daily I am updating my skills and seem
always
to reach out
and make that latest script I just mastered do even more.
The only problem I have with this as a one man shop is that I
spend more
time learning than working on clients sites.
Alas, I have not yet made my million...one more skill
needed...ten to
ignore - have no time...so I learn priorities...foundations.
Web Standards.
Content Management.
Then the programming skills. After four or five years doing this
full
time
and five part time, being from a construction background I speak of
foundations a lot.
Standards are that foundation.
Bruce P
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From: "Maria Solange Siebra Borges"
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:20:58 -0400
Subject: Re: [WSG] Visual Design Of Websites
tomorrow see you!!bye solange
2007/7/12, Bruce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
"...As long as you have an endless appetite for learning more and
more all
over the board, before you know it you'll be pretty far along with
your
knowledge...."
There really is no end to it, daily I am updating my skills and seem
always
to reach out
and make that latest script I just mastered do even more.
The only problem I have with this as a one man shop is that I
spend more
time learning than working on clients sites.
Alas, I have not yet made my million...one more skill
needed...ten to
ignore - have no time...so I learn priorities...foundations.
Web Standards.
Content Management.
Then the programming skills. After four or five years doing this
full time
and five part time, being from a construction background I speak of
foundations a lot.
Standards are that foundation.
Bruce P
bkdesign
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From: "Joseph Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 2:11 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Visual Design Of Websites
If you are interested in being and "all-rounder", don't let
anyone scare
you away from it. I'm an "all-rounder" (designer/developer I would
call it), a one-man company. On my sites I do all the planning,
information layout, designing and coding - everything. (X)HTML,
CSS,
javascript, PHP, MySQL on every site and before that ASP and MSSQL
(until 2006).
The design process starts with pencil and paper. After bot 3-4
sheets
of scribbles and squares zooming to and fro all over the paper, I
have a
worthy layout done. Then a wireframe is made in photoshop. Then the
design is made. Then it gets chopped and pages marked up. Then the
database gets built. Then the PHP is coded to stitch the front
and back
together. If time is left over some javascript is sprinkled in to
taste. I hope that each site combines all the elements a little
more
smoothly than last time creating a continued progression as I go.
As long as you have an endless appetite for learning more and
more all
over the board, before you know it you'll be pretty far along
with your
knowledge.
Joseph R. B. Taylor
Sites by Joe, LLC
http://sitesbyjoe.com
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Breton Slivka wrote:
On 7/12/07, *Hassan Schroeder* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
, you are wrong about graphic design.
..but seriously, I have *never* seen an ad for a "Graphic
Designer"
(or worse, mislabeled "Web Designer") that looked for
anything but
Photoshop/Illustrator, possibly Flash, proficiency. Nothing
about
BA/IA/UX/ID. Zip. Zed.
For the vast majority of such positions, it's all about
"purty".
:-)
Seriously. I do know exceptions -- Darrell Sano, who I
worked with
at Sun, comes to mind -- but they're few and far between.
Far too
far.
That is an error in the Ads you've seen, and in the Advertiser's
understanding of Graphic Design being just as flawed as yours.
This is
not an error in my definition of Graphic Design. I will not dispute
that many self proclaimed "Graphic Designers" hold the same flawed
view. This is a serious problem, which may be too big for me to
singlehandedly handle, but a problem nonethless. To give an
analogy,
one could easily advertise for an accountant who is proficient
in the
use of Quicken and TurboTax. However this would be a flawed
advertisement, as proficiency in those programs does not a
qualified
accountant make. Nor does proficiency in photoshop make a qualified
Graphic Designer, nor would proficiency in Dreamweaver make a
qualified Web Developer, nor Proficiency in MySQL a qualified
Database
Designer.
Indeed, a common view of Surgeons may be that all they do is cut
people up and shift things around, discounting any knowledge
they may
have of human anatomy, or medical science. Now imagine if there
were a
bunch of surgeons running around getting hired who had the same
flawed
perspective. It would be very difficult for a proper surgeon to
gain
any sense of credibility wouldn't it? That problem is real in
both Web
Development, and Graphic Design. Given that it's something both
fields
have in common, I would expect us to be able to team up to fight
such
perceptions, but sadly this is not the case for practitioners in
either profession, as they each suffer from the misperceptions
of the
other.
It makes me sad.
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From: "Maria Solange Siebra Borges"
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:21:44 -0400
Subject: Re: [WSG] Visual Design Of Websites - dont close it yet
admin!
tomorrow see you later!!bye!solange
2007/7/12, Bruce Kyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Graphic Design vs Web Design - the keyword here is design, both
processes use the principles of design to solve a problem. We all use
repetition, balance, emphasis to create a product suitable to our
clients/overlords/users. let's not get hung up on the media.
There's no doubt in my mind a part of any good website are the
graphical/textual elements, but a successful solution must include a
whole host of other disciplines (useability, accessibility etc).
From my experience a typical web project involves taking an existing
organisation into the wierd wide web. They already have a fancy logo,
colour scheme, marketing strategy. The hard work is integrating it
into
a relevant web structure so everyone from grandma with her win98/
IE4 to
young johnny on his playstation 3 browser can use it to find whatever
they wanted to find when they googled the org's keywords.
Bruce
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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:32:38 -0700
Subject: Re: [WSG] Javascript image rotator
Al Sparber wrote:
The animations are cool but if one optimizes images for the web
then there's not much to work with and you're back to a cross-
fade. All the animations are jittery in Firefox, which is normal,
and there does not seem to be a fallback if script is disabled to
at least be able to link to all of the images. I'm obviously a bit
prejudiced, but I kind of think this one is more usable:
Yeah, I did not mean to make it sound like it was the best thing out
there, but it really worked well for my last project (I did not have
time to write something from scratch.)
I personally do not like all the funky animations included... Simple
fades is all I will ever probably need. I like simple...
Fortunately, so
did my client.
I guess it depends on your project requirements... A simple image
placeholder is all I usually need if JS is turned off or whatever.
But I
do like the thought of linking to a gallery of images.
Also, FF/XP is pretty smooth for me. But then again, I dislike pretty
much all but the fading transitions.
http://www.projectseven.com/products/galleries/ssm/ssm_03.htm
That looks nice. Very good work. :)
I will have to add this to my delicious bookmarks.
Only thing I could see as being a problem for me is all the "extras."
In fact, the script I pointed to in my last post has this problem too:
Too much extras.
Coming back to what I originally said above, I like simple. I am sure
you allow for users to turn off all the buttons and counters and
gallery
menus and such, but then that makes the code that much more bloated.
I would love to see a JS fading image slideshow rotator that was
highly
decoupled from the CSS/HTML (unobtrusive), and that was modular... For
example, instead of just setting a variable to "no" or "false" one
would
be able to remove the code/method from the script if not needed (vs.
having the non-used functions sitting around collecting dust.)
Modular JS for those of us that feel comfortable tweaking that type of
thing.
It's not free, though... but it is totally automated for Adobe
Studio users.
Looks nice though.
I guess I thought the original poster wanted something more for a
simple
banner vs an actual gallery script.
But for a gallery application, this definitely looks worth the $$.
Have a great day/night.
Cheers,
Micky
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From: russ - maxdesign <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:44:26 +1000
Subject: ADMIN - Maria has left the building, and won't be returning.
ADMIN
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Thanks for your patience.
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From: "James Jeffery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 08:32:28 +0100
Subject: Re: [WSG] To target or not
Id say dont use pop-ups, nobody likes them eeeew!
:P
On 7/13/07, Maria Solange Siebra Borges
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
tomorrow see you!! bye solange
2007/7/12, Matthew Ohlman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Hello List,
I was curious what others opinions were on this issue...
Since W3C doesn't allow the target attribute in XHTML Strict,
which do
you think is better? Having the window opening up with
JavaScript or
just keeping the page in the same window like W3C wants.
I assume the reason for not allowing the target attribute is for
accessibility--because screen readers can not control pop-ups.
Therefore it seems logical to me to keep it in the same window--
even if
it is an external site, etc.
What does everyone think?
Matthew
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:29:55 +0100
Subject: RE: [WSG] To target or not
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Jeffery
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 8:32 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [WSG] To target or not
Id say dont use pop-ups, nobody likes them eeeew!
:P
I agree - in this day and age it makes far more sense to show and
hide a
div (or whatever) on your page than to throw a whole new page
unless you
have reams of info to display.
Mike
From: "Diego La Monica" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:34:46 +0200
Subject: Re: [WSG] To target or not
I wrote for a solution few monts ago, that takes interests in some
peoples
in Italy.
I've developed a javascript solution that grant accessibility and
leave the
user to choose to open all external links (or the ones marked as
external)
both in a new window and in the same window.
Actually the page i've wrote is only in italian language (I'm
preparing an
English version).
In the case, the url to gather this script is:
http://wili.diegolamonica.info/
I don't like to make spam and sorry if you consider this message as
it.
If someone is interested to have a notify when a translation of it is
available please send me a private msg so i don't make another spam
about
that.
Bye
Diego
On 13/07/07, James Jeffery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Id say dont use pop-ups, nobody likes them eeeew!
:P
On 7/13/07, Maria Solange Siebra Borges
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
com>
wrote:
tomorrow see you!! bye solange
2007/7/12, Matthew Ohlman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Hello List,
I was curious what others opinions were on this issue...
Since W3C doesn't allow the target attribute in XHTML Strict,
which d
o
you think is better? Having the window opening up with
JavaScript or
just keeping the page in the same window like W3C wants.
I assume the reason for not allowing the target attribute is for
accessibility--because screen readers can not control pop-ups.
Therefore it seems logical to me to keep it in the same window--
even
if
it is an external site, etc.
What does everyone think?
Matthew
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From: "Rob Kirton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:47:02 +0100
Subject: Re: [WSG] To target or not
I would argue the case that it may be sensible to open a new window
for
PDF's. There was sufficient evidence for a UK government
department I have
worked extensively with, to include this as a standard. The rationale
behind this is simply that once presented with a PDF the user has the
experience of being in a different application, and may be inclined to
beleive that the web site had been left behind / shut down. This
is not a
case of a floating pop up, but of course is a new tab opened in the
browser,
indicating that the page launching the app is still present and
available
for use
In such circumstances It is best to use transitional doc type than
to get
too anally retentive about having to have a strict doc type. The user
doesn't care a hoot about doctype, though they are very interested
in the
experience and usability of a site
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Regards
- Rob
Raising web standards : http://ele.vation.co.uk
Linking in with others : http://linkedin.com/in/robkirton
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*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On
Behalf Of *James Jeffery
*Sent:* Friday, July 13, 2007 8:32 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [WSG] To target or not
Id say dont use pop-ups, nobody likes them eeeew!
:P
I agree - in this day and age it makes far more sense to show and
hide a
div (or whatever) on your page than to throw a whole new page
unless you
have reams of info to display.
Mike
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From: "Frank Palinkas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:54:26 +0200
Subject: RE: [WSG] To target or not
I'm with you also. However, as a tech writer I don't have the
luxury of
calling the shots on which method is employed by a dev project team. I
decided to be ready for both external and internal calls from the app.
Kind regards,
Frank
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On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 13 July, 2007 10:30 AM
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Subject: RE: [WSG] To target or not
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Jeffery
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 8:32 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [WSG] To target or not
Id say dont use pop-ups, nobody likes them eeeew!
:P
I agree - in this day and age it makes far more sense to show and
hide a
div
(or whatever) on your page than to throw a whole new page unless you
have
reams of info to display.
Mike
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From: "Nick Cowie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:57:41 +0800
Subject: Re: [WSG] Visual Design Of Websites
I think that everybody has missed the original point of Marvin's post.
Marvin was looking for help in completing his visual design units
in his web
design course, as Marvin is visually impaired and is trying to build
websites for sighted people using a screen reader. And you thought
is was
hard the other way round.
I assume Marvin must pass the visual design units to complete the
course. Do
not pass the course and no qualification, no chance of further
education and
less chance of a job in the field he wants.
Marvin is after advice, help, tips, tricks and techniques for
visual design,
such as colour theory, image size etc. as well as suggestions on
how to
storyboards and flowcharts.
I don't have a lot of links at hand but I will have a look over the
weekend
for you Marvin.
I hope a few others can go through there del.icio.us accounts and
similar
and find a few links for Marvin before next semester.
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