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From: "Chris Skene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:55:07 +1000
Subject: RE: WSG Digest
Is this the Web Standards Group or the We Spam Group?
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From: "Breton Slivka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:21:33 +1000
Subject: Re: [WSG] Visual Design Of Websites
On 7/12/07, Hassan Schroeder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
, you are wrong about graphic design.
..but seriously, I have *never* seen an ad for a "
Graphic Designer"
(or worse, mislabeled "Web Designer") that looked for
anything but
Photoshop/Illustrator, possibly Flash, proficiency. Nothing
about
BA/IA/UX/ID. Zip. Zed.
For the vast majority of such positions, it's all ab
out "purty". :-)
Seriously. I do know exceptions -- Darrell Sano, who
I worked with at
Sun, comes to mind -- but they're few and far betw
een. Far too far.
That is an error in the Ads you've seen, and in t
he Advertiser's
understanding of Graphic Design being just as flawed as
yours. This is
not an error in my definition of Graphic Design. I wil
l not dispute that
many self proclaimed "Graphic Designers" hold the same fla
wed view. This
is a serious problem, which may be too big for me to
singlehandedly
handle, but a problem nonethless. To give an analogy, on
e could easily
advertise for an accountant who is proficient in the use
of Quicken and
TurboTax. However this would be a flawed advertisement, as
proficiency
in those programs does not a qualified accountant make.
Nor does
proficiency in photoshop make a qualified Graphic Designer,
nor would
proficiency in Dreamweaver make a qualified Web Developer,
nor
Proficiency in MySQL a qualified Database Designer.
Indeed, a common view of Surgeons may be that all they
do is cut people
up and shift things around, discounting any knowledge they
may have of
human anatomy, or medical science. Now imagine if there
were a bunch of
surgeons running around getting hired who had the same f
lawed
perspective. It would be very difficult for a proper sur
geon to gain any
sense of credibility wouldn't it? That problem is real i
n both Web
Development, and Graphic Design. Given that it's something
both fields
have in common, I would expect us to be able to team
up to fight such
perceptions, but sadly this is not the case for practiti
oners in either
profession, as they each suffer from the misperceptions of
the other.
It makes me sad.
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From: Marc Wolfgram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:57:47 -0500
Subject: Re: WSG Digest
On Jul 11, 2007, at 8:46 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
Due to an upgrade of SmarterMail, digests seem to have had a problem.
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Question on digests... any sign of a light at the end of the tunnel?
-- Marc
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