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From: "Breton Slivka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:08:21 +1000
Subject: Re: [WSG] Visual Design Of Websites

This issue really pushes my buttons, I will admit. I had my rant (my initial post), and I naively believed that would be pretty much the end of it. I forgot that I push buttons when I'm ranting. I've even provided an out in my
last post inviting people to continue this conversation off list. That
didn't quite work out, so here we are still on list. The essential problem
at this point is that since I opened with a rant, I've set myself up a
hostile situation. Hostile situations are not ideal for explaining difficult
and subtle concepts.

I suggest, since this is a hostile context, (which I again admit is mostly my fault), that most people who would respond to me at this point would not do so because they are interested in what I have to say. There is a high risk, regardless of whatever I post, of simply continuing a back and fourth
disagreement which would be inappropriate for this list. I offer two
alternatives.

1. If you are honestly interested in learning about graphic design, read the books I suggested, as they are a more credible and coherent a source than I am. Far be it from me to put you off of correct information simply because
it's coming from me, random internet nutter #8.

2. If you really just want to continue the conversation specifically with me, Please do so off list. Me being a bit irritated at someone's offhand comment may have been borderline on topic. Me making pronouncements about what I think graphic design is about is definitely not on topic, and I will
not be lured into making a further ass out of myself.

-Breton



From: "Paul Collins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:10:25 +0100
Subject: Re: [WSG] Javascript image rotator

Hey thanks for your help Ed,

Got that working now, all looks good. Does work with Javascript turned
off, but only if you put the original image in a NOSCRIPT tag.
Certainly works well, so thanks for all your help.

I found the original here BTW:
http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex14/fadeinslideshow.htm

Thanks again
Paul


On 12/07/07, Web Man Walking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I did one for a client of mine.  Feel free to take a look...

http://thepaperchain.co.uk/

Not sure where I found the code but it is excellent and without JS on, it
shows an image.

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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Paul Collins
Sent: 12 July 2007 12:45
To: [email protected]
Subject: [WSG] Javascript image rotator

Hi all,

I thought this would be an easy one to Google, but yet I find myself
here again asking your professional opinions :)

Trying to find a script for random image rotation on a website.
Meaning the images would rotate every 5 seconds or so automatically,
without the need for a refresh. The only requirements would be:

- A fade effect between the rotating images.
- A fall back so users without javascript will still get a single image.

Any links would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers
Paul


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From: Bruce Kyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:14:57 +1000
Subject: Re: [WSG] Visual Design Of Websites - dont close it yet admin!

Graphic Design vs Web Design - the keyword here is design, both
processes use the principles of design to solve a problem. We all use
repetition, balance, emphasis to create a product suitable to our
clients/overlords/users. let's not get hung up on the media.

There's no doubt in my mind a part of any good website are the
graphical/textual elements, but a successful solution must include a
whole host of other disciplines (useability, accessibility etc).

 From my experience a typical web project involves taking an existing
organisation into the wierd wide web. They already have a fancy logo,
colour scheme, marketing strategy. The hard work is integrating it into a relevant web structure so everyone from grandma with her win98/ IE4 to
young johnny on his playstation 3 browser can use it to find whatever
they wanted to find when they googled the org's keywords.

Bruce
(broken a few wooden spoons in my time!)


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