I have seen that too Thom .. and you have a good point. I have also had clients specifically request that while they want to link to other sites, they don't want the user to be off their site either. And even I don't do frames. ;)

Nancy

----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Thomassen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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As for PDFs I find it ok that they open in a new window. As a personal preferance.

But for regular links I feel that it's best leaving them alone. I've seen many novice computer users get confused when a link opens in a new window as they don't allways realise they're now navigating in a new window. When they want to navigate back to where they where they find that the back button suddenly doesn't work and they fumble trying to find their way back.

-Thom


----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Gill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I see your point, Thom. The exception, IMO, is when you link to a PDF .. the Acrobat Reader takes over the window and the only way to go back in the same window is to use the back button in the browser .. not very good practice, IMO. Most people would just close the reader thinking they would be back on the page they left .. and they're not. I have seen many questions from people who have done just this and lost the place they wanted to be.

In other cases, I do see your point that users want to control those things .. although I wonder how many people would know how to do that. Not everyone who uses the internet is all that websavvy.

Nancy

----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Thomassen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Poping up windows makes assumtion of the user's behaviour. I for one find it very annoying when sites force open a new window. If I want to navigate a link I open the link up in a new tab. Forcing the link to open up in a new window doesn't make me stay on the site, it just makes me click extra to close the page that I navigated from. If a site constantly pops open windows I often just leave it.

I argue that it's best to leave the user to control these things as people have very different habbits.

-Thom


----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Gill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I totally agree .. in fact just having this conversation elsewhere. How can javascript be more accessible when those most concerned with accessibility will probably turn it off anyway? Makes no sense to have this removed .. I open new windows all the time .. for PDFs .. for links that go offsite, etc.

Nancy

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I just read how a target=”_blank” is not part of xhtml

Why not. I can't imagine its better practice to replace it with javascript.
http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2004/01/02/targetblank-xhtml-10-strict-conversion/

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