Hi Christian, Google also use table layout for their pages, inline styles, don't use labels with input fields and so on. The fact that they use H1 around the logo just shows that they don't require SEO work. ;-) So your mention of Google using H1 around the logo does not illustrate anything.
Thanks, Jason On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Christian Fagan <[email protected]>wrote: > Agree with pretty much everything below. > > There seems to be no compelling reason to wrap the logo in a H1....but > there seems to be no compelling reason not to. > > I'm probably swaying towards not wrapping the logo in a H1 any more....I > doubt it will have much effect on SEO anyway. > > One final point regarding this topic... > *Google wraps their logo in a H1* > > http://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&source=hp&q=search&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=search&fp=2b6a54a9ce7131a8 > > I need a coffee... > > > - Christian Fagan > - Fagan Design > - fagandesign.com.au > - p: (+613) 9314-1841 > > > > Darren Lovelock wrote: > > Enough Darren bashing LOL My apologies for attacking so head-on but it > looked to me that your only intention was to attempt to boost your website > rankings and that is something that Google definitely advises against - > build websites for your visitors and not the search engines. > > You mind telling me which of the websites you referenced include more than > one H1? That's what this discussion is about right? Also most of them had a > lot of html errors so not exactly good examples of great web design. Apart > from the BBC website of course - great website ;) > > You said that you would include an H1 wrapped around the logo AND and an > additional H1 didn't you? You wanted to know its effect on SEO? Multiple > H1's dilute the relevance of the page and if stuffed with keywords will only > hinder a websites rankings rather than help them. That is why the SEO you > spoke to would recommend to use just *one* H1. > http://www.searchenginejournal.com/seo-checklist-using-page-headings-correctly/7723/ > > The reason why designers have had a need to place an H1 around the logo is > because the H1 should be first in a documents heading structure, it was to > comply with WCAG guidelines. Due to multiple column layouts a H2 could > easily come before the H1. Read more here - > http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200901/headings_heading_hierarchy_and_document_outlines/ > > Your reason however was because you believe the logo to be of equal > importance as the H1 lower down the page (for rankings?), not to meet > accessibility guidelines. > > My opinion is a logo is not a heading, it is a logo. I agree however there > should be a tag to give the logo more precedence on the page but a heading > is not the correct tag. > > "A *logo* is a graphical element > (ideogram<http://www.answers.com/topic/ideogram>, > symbol <http://www.answers.com/topic/symbol>, > emblem<http://www.answers.com/topic/emblem>, > icon <http://www.answers.com/topic/icon>, > sign<http://www.answers.com/topic/sign>) > that, together with its *logotype* (a uniquely set and arranged > typeface<http://www.answers.com/topic/typeface>) > form a trademark <http://www.answers.com/topic/trademark> or commercial > brand <http://www.answers.com/topic/brand>. Typically, a logo's design is > for immediate > recognition.[1]<http://www.answers.com/logo#cite_note-wheeler_dbi_pg4-0>The > logo is one aspect of a company's commercial > brand <http://www.answers.com/topic/brand>, or economic or academic > entity, and its shapes, colors, fonts, and images usually are different from > others in a similar market. Logos are also used to identify organizations > and other non-commercial entities." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logo > > By using microformats or the RDFA doctype you can identify the logo in a > vcard along with your company details. > > Darren Lovelock > Munky Online Web Design > http://www.munkyonline.co.uk > T: +44 (0)20-8816-8893 > > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [email protected] > ******************************************************************* > -- Jason Grant BSc, MSc CEO, Flexewebs Ltd. www.flexewebs.com [email protected] +44 (0)7748 591 770 Company no.: 5587469 www.flexewebs.com/semantix www.twitter.com/flexewebs www.linkedin.com/in/flexewebs ******************************************************************* List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [email protected] *******************************************************************
