Is FT8 and psk31 generally use around 20 to 30 watts maximum, as a "social
rule", so that one station would not be too strong as to mask out other
station, due to agc of rig?

On Saturday, December 29, 2018, Jim Brown <k...@audiosystemsgroup.com>
wrote:

> On 12/28/2018 4:54 PM, Simon wrote:
>
>> Hi K9YC,
>>
>> Many thanks for the detailed analysis.
>>
>> 1. Sorry, I do not understand why u said, quoted, "Gauging by the FT8
>> signals centered around 7075 kHz, I'd call this QTH pretty noisy". This is
>> the FT8 band at  7074kHz, usb and wsjt-x decoded good copy of traffic.
>> Those are wanted ft8 signals.
>>
>
> I'm using their strength as a guide to the strength the noise sources I
> identified.
>
>>
>> Ft8 Traffic was busy, 4 decodes per 15 seconds cycle. Strongest signal is
>> 4 dB snr.  Most are better than -4dB snr, rare one was weakest at -19 dB.
>> From call sign, many are from Indonisia, Australia and new zealand, 4000km
>> from Hong Kong sota qth. So, it was good received signal from 4000 to
>> 6000km away. It was healthy signals.
>>
>
> That's not a lot of decodes -- I regularly decode several dozen signals on
> each pass on the HF bands.
>
>>
>> 2. The sota site has no AC utility electricity and no street lamps, it is
>> a laws protected country park area where they preserve nature.
>>
>> 100 meters away is a public toilet with solar panel and pir triggered led
>> lighting, which should be off as there is likely no one in toilet. Solar
>> panel was zero output as it was dark, 30 minutes after sunset. No charging
>> pwm noise.
>>
>> 500 meters away, and blocked by hill profile, as 100 meter lower, is a
>> ranger office. Should be all person off duty at that time. Sure, there may
>> be some smps still running.
>>
>> Up 150 meters, are two airport long range survilance radars, one primary,
>> one secondary radar, with Powerful smps inside. Radar range about 700km for
>> the hong kong fir, flight information region, from hong kong to taiwan to
>> philpines.
>>
>> There is a residential estate, 500 homes, 30 floors buildings, 2 km away,
>> with all kind of smps inside, computer, fluroresent lighting, led lighting,
>> vfd motor drive for lift, etc.
>>
>
> It's hard to get away from noise. In essence, all of these noise sources
> are added together to form the noise floor. To find a dead quiet band, you
> almost need to be tens of miles from sources. One of the few times I've
> encountered that was a county expedition for the California QSO Party three
> years ago in a very remote part of Trinity National Forest. No homes, no
> radio sites, nothing as far as the eye can see from our site looking out
> from about 1,000 ft above the ground sloping away from us.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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