Thanks. I'll try that.

73,
Frank
KF6E

On Thu, Jan 3, 2019, 11:42 Patrick 9A5CW <[email protected] wrote:

> Hi Frank,
> You can try to download 2Tone for RTTY.
> So far best decoder was made for MSDOS by K6STI Bitty and Ritty. That was
> better than any Windows or so RTTY software nowdays.
>
> Best 73
> Patrik 9A5CW
>
>
> Datuma čet, 3. sij 2019. 17:14 Frank Kirschner <[email protected]
> piše:
>
>> Hi, Bill,
>>
>> Thanks for your reply.
>>
>> I wasn't suggesting a change to the standard for RTTY, which, of course,
>> would be impossible at this point. I was pointing out that the software I
>> have used to decode RTTY is nowhere close to the theoretical limit, or even
>> the hardware discriminator I built years ago. DM780 and MMTTY, the two
>> programs I remember using, require very high signal to noise ratios to
>> provide even moderately good decoding.
>>
>> Do you have a recommendation on software that might perform better than
>> what I am using?
>>
>> I first used RTTY in the late 1960s, when I had my home-brew TU and a
>> Kleinschmidt teleprinter, so I'm familiar with the electro-mechanical
>> technology for which Baudot code was designed. I designed a weather
>> collection network for Thailand in the early 1970s that used mechanical
>> teleprinters and prepared tape messages. It was a bit of a kluge, but it
>> worked for years.
>>
>> 73,
>> Frank
>> KF6E
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 10:52 AM Bill Somerville <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 03/01/2019 15:33, Frank Kirschner wrote:
>>> > Many years ago, I had a home-brew RTTY TU. It had two 88 mH torroids
>>> > in the tuned circuits and a differential amplifier as a detector.
>>> > Occasionally, the received signal would fade below the noise, but the
>>> > Kleinschmidt teleprinter would keep printing the decoded text. I have
>>> > tried several current software packages for decoding RTTY signals, and
>>> > all of them require quite strong signals to decode at all, and very
>>> > strong signals to provide 100% print.
>>> >
>>> > I was wondering if the decoding method used in WSJT-X for FT8 could be
>>> > ported to a RTTY decoder. I realize that FT8 has a lower symbol rate,
>>> > which provides more time to integrate, and incorporates redundancy,
>>> > which improves accuracy. But the theoretical lower limit for decoding
>>> > RTTY is something like -5 dB S/N, and the current programs are nowhere
>>> > near that.
>>> >
>>> > If RTTY facilities could be integrated with WSJT-X, not only would the
>>> > decoding be better, but the log scanning functions of WSJT-X and
>>> > JTAlert would be better, significantly improving contest operation.
>>> >
>>> > I confess I haven't looked at the decoding techniques used by RTTY
>>> > software, but I suspect, based on performance, that it could be
>>> improved.
>>> >
>>> > 73,
>>> > Frank
>>> > KF6E
>>> >
>>> Hi Frank,
>>>
>>> this is well covered ground, some existing Baudot decoders have very
>>> good performance with built in weak and fading signal models to optimize
>>> them.
>>>
>>> The techniques used to decode FT8 are based around a block message
>>> format that includes parity bits and checksums for advanced forward
>>> error detection and correction, Baudot is a character based stream code
>>> with no forward error correction capability. RTTY was designed for an
>>> era where automation was mechanical and quite limited, just having a
>>> code that could be used to modulate a transmitter and be printed by a
>>> receiver was about the sum of the technical design. RTTY's *only*
>>> similarity with FT8 is that it is a frequency shift keyed constant
>>> amplitude signal. Even the simplest addition of a single parity bit to
>>> detect, but not correct, single bit errors would need a fundamental
>>> non-backwards compatible change to the Baudot code.
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Bill
>>> G4WJS.
>>>
>>>
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