Hello Don, in the std. release of JTDX the 'Fox' mode is disabled since many releases, only 'Hound' can be enabled! If anyone compiles from source, he could change anything of any of the named packages - WSJT-X, JTDX or MSHV. But I don't think the current 'DX' daring to do so. Looks like, the reason MSHV is used by the 'DX', is the operational aspect. The multi answering settings in MSHV can be handled without reading an extra manual. Callers need no extra mode, frequency hops etc. It's much simpler to handle than the F/H of WSJT-X.
There is no law, no rule or such regulation how DX handle their operation, if they using Fox & Hound or whatever. In SSB the QSO rates are done sometimes by number, sometimes by continent etc. Think the same freedom should exist in digital modes. In SSB the 'bad guys' are the ones yelling endless, even if they don't hear the DX. And now in FT8 we try to blame the DX beeing 'the 'bad guys' ??? Chasing DX is like a race, we have some winners and some... who do not make it ;-) Btw., there is a lot of guesswork how 'the clones' are working! Why don't try them and make up your mind? Compare decoding speed, handling and the GUI - bet you will find some surprises. I did that, I have all of them installed on my PC. And before you ask, the MSHV is installed and has been tried just out of curiosity. 73 de Wolfgang OE1MWW Friday, March 22, 2019, 7:19:45 PM, you wrote: I've not run MSHV or JTDX on FT8 yet. My preference is WSJT-X so I don't know how to spot a DX station running one of these clones. Is there a way to tell what the DX station is using (when using multiple streams)? Today I had a difficult time working 5T5PA. Nearly all spots said he was running F/H and none said he wasn't (he probably is running F/H), but it took longer than 10 minutes for me to complete the contact when it didn't seem like it should have been that difficult. I was tempted to turn F/H off but I didn't. I did finally get RR73 from him. Are there certainly things we can look for in determining if the DX is running F/H? If so, what are these tell-tale signs? I'm a little frustrated with the different approaches from FT8 clones and DXpeditions that use them. It's starting to create a lot of confusion that seems unnecessary. It would be nice if it was possible for WSJT-X to determine if the station is running F/H or not and display it somehow. I think if the DX is running F/H and the caller is not (and using WSJT-X) that the caller will get a warning, but it seems we need something more to identify F/H and non-F/H stations. If a DX station is running MSHV and the stations calling are running F/H, is it possible to still make a contact? Also, vice versa, if the DX is running F/H and the calling station is not, can a QSO be completed? Also, it would be nice if the F/H transmit timer for Hounds could be extended longer than 2 minutes. Five minutes seems more appropriate. Don AA5AU ---------- Amateur radio is the most expensive type of free-of-charge communication! Amateurfunk ist die teuerste Art der kostenlosen Kommunikation! _______________________________________________ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
