Well, the people who went off-reservation and decided to take outside steps to 
make it fully automated despite it being said over and over that making an 
“automated QSO machine” was never the intention certainly did not help that 
cause. I know more than one disabled ham who has been able to play in contests 
for the first time in decades because of FT8 and they’ll be the ones getting 
hurt in the end. And before this becomes a back and forth, I’ll head some of it 
off by saying that making “separate categories” is not acceptable. 

> On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:45 PM, "rjai...@gmail.com" <rjai...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> From all indications they're out with the torches and pitchforks to
> ban FT8 from "serious" contesting anyway. So you won't have to put up
> with this for too long.
> 
> I really don't get it... FT8 has brought many more out to play radio
> on a contest weekend (and other times). Maybe some people just love
> hearing dead air.
> 
> Ria
> N2RJ
> 
>> On Wed, 24 Jul 2019 at 19:16, John Kludt <johnnykl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Folks,
>> 
>> I just work'em.  Most don't seem to mind.  I have an exchange of calls and 
>> grids.  Yes, I suppose if for some reason somebody not in the contest where 
>> to decide to send in a log and they hadn't logged me because they didn't get 
>> a signal report - why would they send in a log as they are not in the 
>> contest - I could get dinged.  In this weekends contest I did not have a 
>> single person persist in sending R-xx.  They just seemed to move on, too.  
>> If they didn't, I did and let it go.
>> 
>> The real answer is to move to FT4.  From the ground up, a contest mode.  
>> Using 6 as an example let the non-contesters have FT8 and 50.313 and move 
>> the contesters to FT4 and 50.318.  If you can run FT8 you can run FT4.  The 
>> upgrade is a no-brainer.  And FT4 is really, really fast and you have to pay 
>> attention - actually very cool!
>> 
>> How much more kvetching we going to have about this?  It's a  hobby.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 6:34 PM Bill Frantz <ae...@arrl.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 7/22/19 at 4:03 PM, _vk3a...@vkdxer.net (Laurie, VK3AMA) wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 22/07/2019 7:16 am, Jim Brown wrote:
>>>>> so I quickly switched out of contest mode to work him. :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> What I WOULD like is to able to do this without going to
>>>>> Settings Advanced. All those clicks loses a TX cycle.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 73, Jim K9YC
>>>> 
>>>> Simple and only requires a single mouse click. Setup two
>>>> configurations in WSJT-X, one for you desired contest and the
>>>> other non-contest. Once setup, it is a single click using the
>>>> "Configuration" menu to switch between contest and non-contest.
>>>> 
>>>> de Laurie VK3AMA
>>> 
>>> I'm sorry to disagree Laurie. On my Mac (10.14.6 with wsjt-x
>>> v2.1.0 24fcd1), when I switch between my F&H configuration and
>>> my plain QSO one, I lose all my waterfall history, and my two
>>> windows become top left justified on top of each other. They
>>> also return to their default sizes. There's a big cost to get
>>> things back to a workable configuration and refill the
>>> waterfall. It may just be better to pay the mouse clicks to go
>>> to the Advanced menu.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone else see this behavior?
>>> 
>>> 73 Bill AE6JV
>>> 
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