Yes, it seems to rely on a low error probability, to get high throughput.

But maybe the FT8 CRC+ LDPC could be replace by CRC only and be decoded by 
GRAND with less CPU-cycles?

I do not if it is even possible to use GRAND - if it is possible to get a good 
license agreement for the WSJT software?

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References:

https://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/FT4_FT8_QEX.pdf 
<https://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/FT4_FT8_QEX.pdf>
Backup:
https://web.archive.org/web/20210618182741/https://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/FT4_FT8_QEX.pdf
Quote: “…
3. Error Detection and Error Correction
A  14-bit  cyclic  redundancy  check  (CRC)  is  appended  to  each
77-bit  information  packet  to  create  a  91-bit  message-plus-CRC  
word.  The  CRC  is  calculated  on  the  source-encoded  message,  
zero-extended  from  77  to  82  bits.  The  CRC  algorithm  uses  the  
polynomial  0x6757  (hexadecimal)  and  an  initial  value  of  zero  
(see [13, 14] for further details). Another 83 bits are appended for 
forward error correction, creating a 174-bit codeword. 
Forward  error  correction  is  accomplished  using  a  (174,  91)  
LDPC  code  designed  specifi cally  for  FT8  and  FT4. 
…”

https://www.granddecoder.mit.edu/ <https://www.granddecoder.mit.edu/>
Backup:
https://web.archive.org/web/20210918073847/https://www.granddecoder.mit.edu/
Quote: "...
For further licensing information, please contact Myron Kassaraba 
([email protected]) at MIT's Technology Licensing Office.
..."

Glenn, OZ1HFT

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> Den 21. sep. 2021 kl. 22.50 skrev Philip Gladstone 
> <[email protected]>:
> 
> My understanding of GRAND is that it relies on the fact that the SNR is high 
> -- which is very much not the case for FT8. 
> 
> Philip

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