On Saturday August 19 2023 11:02:27 David Ledger wrote: >I think that "dead on every platform" is a bit premature.
I'd hope so, but if even a Debian clone like Devuan Chimaera now uses a Wayland-based login manager one starts wondering. >Air. Is Wayland available on Mac? What would be really useful would be I only know someone got it to build but I still haven't tried it. Thing is that the underlying libraries were clearly developed for Linux, using Linux-specific syscalls which AFAIK don't exist on *BSD nor on Mac. Of course Wayland is a very different beast that (to me) looks much more akin to the Mac's approach with window server (or whatever it's called again) rather than an X11 server + window manager. That probably also means that even if you could, say, build QtWayland and ultimately KWin/Wayland (which is the compositor used for the KDE desktop) you couldn't just run that because it would try to take over the entire desktop. At best it'd work like XQuartz in rooted mode. I've used that approach for a long time, switching between a traditional Unix/X11 workstation and a modern desktop environment, "on opposite sides of the screen" as I called it. I don't think many people would accept that nowadays... > An X-server for iPad doesn't exist, but Wayland? Haven't people succeeded in installing Linux onto iPads? Or you could get yourself a ChromeTab; those do use Wayland as their compositor/renderer, plus you can "side-load" Linux onto them ;) >I have been using X for those 40 years but it's been a while since I >used X-clients other than xterm That begs the question why you need X at all? >to look? Everything I've found concentrates on it being a purely >localhost thing It is, unless you run xwayland, which is an equivalent of XQuartz... >We used to run Firefox (or Netscape?) on Unix servers >displaying on a PC X-server. Are those sorts of things available on >current VMs? On Docker? Have you realised that the big browsers today have more or less become OSes in themselves, and use hardware acceleration, OpenGL or Vulkan or whatever other fast rendering & compositing protocol the host offers? And on their side, sites have developed into desktop-like designs making heavy use of those accelerated rendering options. I haven't tried to run either on a remote screen for a long time, and the times I tried simpler QtWebengine or WebKitGTk browsers remotely that wasn't exactly a success. >I would appreciate any brief answers or pointers, but as this is an 'X' >list I don't expect a discussion. Actually, Jeremy once pointed out that a proper Wayland implementation on Mac could be the solution for the issues that exist with the X server (i.e. we'd be using xwayland) ;) R. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. X11-users mailing list (X11-users@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/x11-users/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
