On Jul 2, 2012, at 3:46 PM, Sebastian Karcher wrote: >> Hi Charles, >> >> Thanks for your work on this. I do wonder whether it makes sense to >> have quite so many dependent styles in the repository though. >> I have been wondering if it would make sense to 'push' users and >> publications to use well known existing styles more. > I don't think pushing users is an options - if you submit an article > to a given journal, you need to make sure to follow that journal's > citation style. Dependent styles help users identify these styles - > you can't really expect a user to know that a given style is, say > "Elsevier's Harvard with Titles". > There is also the fact that Endnote's 5000 or so styles are still > being held up as proof that they provide users with oh so many options > - dependent styles (which I assume Endnote uses in some way, too) help > us compete with that. > Finally, I don't see a downside - on Zotero's repository you can > remove dependent styles with one click, it'd be easy for you to > implement the same at Mendeley. > > As for pushing publishers - sure, that'd be great. There are way too > many different citation styles. But that didn't even work when there > weren't good options to automate that, so I don't really see how we > (or anyone else) is going to convince publishers now. > >>> I'll have to bite the bullet at some point, though, I agree! >> >> Less painful that dealing with problems arising if your users download >> styles with bugs that would be caught by a validator though. > while I agree that styles should be validated before being committed > (maybe use a pull request if you can't validate?), there are a lot of > people watching the repository - we'd spot invalid styles within hours > and fix it. Also, again, I don't know how you handle that at Mendeley, > but on the Zotero repo invalid styles are marked as such - you could > easily do the same.
Just a heads-up that Rintze and I started looking into automating tests (validation is among them I believe) using travis-ci – once we have this set-up we can be notified whenever a style is submitted or changed that does not validate. Best, Sylvester
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