Charles: I think you're exactly right. Perhaps this suggests the spec
should say something about this, and we ought to avoid the potential
situation of having a plethora of named branches in a few years, which
would be bad for everyone: developers, users, style maintainers.
On Jul 24, 2012 3:38 PM, "Charles Parnot" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I think a separate branch would be useful. But Bruce, I think the question
> is also how to manage the transition.
>
> In the case of Papers, it will honestly be very easy, as the current CSL
> engine will just work and ignore unknown attributes or elements. But for
> other clients, having a separate branch is the only way to provide a
> transition path, no?
>
> charles
>
>
> On Jul 24, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Rintze Zelle wrote:
>
> > Yes we do.
> >
> > Rintze
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 6:25 PM, Bruce D'Arcus <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > Not following this closely ATM, but do we really want to have branches
> for every minor release (like 1.01)? I think not.
> >
> > On Jul 24, 2012 1:24 PM, "Charles Parnot" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > I think it is indeed important to have that discussion, because it would
> be nice to start building a 1.0.1 library of styles.
> >
> > It is also true that the 'master' branch almost looks like it has no
> role other than an alias for the official stable version. But in a way,
> that is exactly what master is supposed to be, so it's not necessarily a
> bad thing to keep it around for that role.
> >
> > With the Travis CI stuff in place, I think we can have the following
> setup (sorry it's again different from the proposals so far):
> >
> > * one branch for each version, where only Travis-approved commits go,
> thus for instance:
> > - branch "1.0"
> > - branch "1.0.1"
> > - branch "1.1"
> > - branch "master" = same as 1.0 for now, and soon same as 1.0.1,
> etc...
> >
> > * ...and one branch for each version, that will be the development
> branch for each, thus for instance:
> > - branch "dev-1.0"
> > - branch "dev-1.0.1"
> > - branch "dev-1.1"
> >
> > Those latter branches are the ones being tested by Travis, with the
> Travis config files pointing at the different schemas for validation, and
> the extra checks potentially also version-dependent (maybe we enforce more
> things as versions evolve, in addition to the pure XML validation).
> >
> > As part of the Travis-CI run, validated commits are automatically pushed
> to the non-dev branch for that version. Thus any commit valid in "dev-1.0"
> goes into "1.0", any commit valid in "dev-1.0.1" goes into "1.0.1", etc…
> And for the current stable version, also pushed to "master". So for now,
> any commit valid in "dev-1.0" goes into "master" as well.
> >
> > The workflows are then very straightforward:
> >
> > - The bulk of the style tweaks and additions is done on the current
> stable version of CSL, e.g. soon "dev-1.0-1"
> > - Work on future versions for styles are done in the corresponding
> branches, e.g. "dev-1.1"
> > - Put older versions on maintenance mode, and keep them consistent with
> current version during a transition period
> > - Clients can pull from the non-dev branches of their choice, e.g. maybe
> pull from "1.0", or from "1.0.1" if they are ready
> >
> >
> > In this context, assuming for instance that 1.0.1 has become the current
> stable version (soon!), we can do all the following things:
> >
> > 1. work on the current dev branch "dev-1.0.1", where most of the
> modifications are supposed to take place, including merging pull requests;
> fix errors after the fact when reported by Travis-CI
> >
> > 2. work on future versions on "dev-1.1", including pull requests; fix
> errors after the fact when reported by Travis-CI
> >
> > 3. on a regular basis, merge changes from "dev-1.0.1" into "dev-1.1" so
> style tweaks are properly applied to the future styles as well; this
> requires to manually check that we are not overriding elements or
> properties that take advantage of the new version; deprecated stuff, or
> bigger schema changes would also be caught by the Travis validation
> >
> > 4. on a regular basis, but only during the transition, also merge
> changes from "dev-1.0.1" back into "dev-1.0", so style tweaks are applied
> to older versions; note that this process does not need to be manually
> checked, since any incompatible feature will be flagged by Travis and can
> then be corrected before it gets into the "1.0" branch
> >
> > 5. pull requests on older styles can be accepted into "dev-1.0", but we
> **never** merge 1.0 into 1.0.1 (the situation is different from point 3
> above); fix errors after the fact when reported by Travis-CI; such direct
> changes should be the exception, because it's likely that any tweaks to the
> 1.0 style should also apply to 1.0.1
> >
> >
> > I think it's the best way to take full advantage of the set up with
> Travis CI. IMO, the tricky part is point (3), because it's possible to
> inadvertently remove an element or property taking advantage of a new
> feature. It should be very straightforward for the 1.0 to 1.0.1 transition.
> However, the transition from 1.0.1 to 1.1 might be trickier, as the
> structure of the CSL could have significant changes, enough to break things
> more often. But no matter what we do, it's going to be tricky to maintain
> styles that take advantage of new features, and at the same time merging
> the everyday changes we make to those styles. The merging strategy may or
> may not be the best way to achieve that, but having a separate branch will
> always help.
> >
> > Those were my 2 cents :-)
> >
> > charles
> >
> >
> > On Jul 24, 2012, at 10:03 AM, Rintze Zelle wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Simon Kornblith <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > > On Jul 24, 2012, at 12:27 PM, Rintze Zelle <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Sylvester Keil <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > >> Another question we should keep in mind whether it may not be easier
> to work on the master branch and have separate release branches? Especially
> if we may want to keep separate versions of styles in the future (i.e., 1.0
> branch, 1.0.1 branch).
> > >>
> > >> I think nobody objects against having separate branches for the
> different CSL releases. The minimal branch structure would then be:
> "0.8.1", "1.0", "1.0.1" (and so on), "master".
> > >>
> > >> To enable people to subscribe to a CSL branch without having to worry
> that this cloned branch changes version (which would happen in "master"
> with our current setup ), we would need a branch for the current CSL
> release, in addition to branches for older CSL releases.
> > >>
> > >> That arrangement by itself however doesn't solve the problem of
> preventing invalid styles from ending up in the version branches, and we'll
> likely want to be able to accept patches for older CSL versions. I can
> think of two options here:
> > >>
> > >> a) we keep using "master" for accepting CSL styles of the most recent
> CSL version, and allow direct commits and merging of pull requests with
> invalid CSL styles. We also accept pull requests to version branches of
> older CSL releases, but only once Travis CI has checked them. A GitHub
> service hook can be used to check the "master" branch after each commit,
> and push the commit to the most recent CSL version branch if there are no
> errors (the service hook script can either wait for Travis CI or run the
> tests itself).
> > >>
> > >> b) we keep using "master" for accepting CSL styles of the most recent
> CSL version, but only accept pull requests. We also accept pull requests to
> version branches of older CSL releases. In both cases, we would only merge
> pull requests once Travis CI has checked them. A GitHub service hook can be
> used to automatically push any changes made to "master" to the most recent
> CSL version branch.
> > >>
> > >> The downside of only relying on pull requests is that fixing small
> errors can be cumbersome (you have to download the file(s) by hand via the
> GitHub web interface), because the CSL team members typically won't have
> commit access to the fork of the person making the pull request. In some
> cases it might be easier to accept broken styles and fix them up after
> merging.
> > >
> > > I like the second approach, but in that case, I'm not sure a master
> branch is necessary at all. GitHub allows you to rename the master branch
> and set a different default branch for a repository. The master branch
> could also be a symbolic-ref to the most recent version branch.
> > >
> > > You can fix small errors before pushing to the repository if you merge
> pull requests the command line way:
> > >
> > > git fetch git://github.com/<<USER>>/styles.git
> > > git merge <<COMMIT HASH>>>
> > > # Fix and commit fixes
> > > git push
> > >
> > > Good to know, and I agree that mirroring "master" against the most
> recent CSL release is unnecessary. However, we might want one additional
> branch (which can be either "master", "development", or "experimental") to
> accept styles that validate against the schema trunk. It might be handy to
> have some styles available for testing before an official CSL release (the
> current policy is to reject CSL 1.0.1 styles, since everything in the
> "master" branch should validate against the CSL 1.0 schema).
> > >
> > > Rintze
> > >
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