fair enough re: Chicago. Could we maybe check a couple more? Maybe APA,
MLA, NLM, and MHRA -- I also just want to make sure we're covered.
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Nick Bart <nickbart1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Downsides: fair enough. But the Chicago Manual, 16e, 14.124, actually
> lists two formats, and for the second one – the one I'd favour –, your
> first concern would not apply.
>
> Pelikan, Jaroslav. *The Christian Tradition: A History of the Development
> of Doctrine.* Vol. 1, *The Emergence of the Catholic Tradition (100–600).*
> Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1971.
> or
> Pelikan, Jaroslav. *The Emergence of the Catholic Tradition (100–600).*
> Vol. 1 of *The Christian Tradition: A History of the Development of
> Doctrine.* Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1971.
>
> What I am worried about most, by contrast, is sorting, and the handling of
> short titles. For one of the Knuth books, e.g.,
>
> Knuth, Donald E. 1986. *METAFONT: The Program.* Vol. D of *Computers &
> Typesetting*. Reading, Mass.: Addison-Wesley.
>
> we'd certainly want "METAFONT" as the short title in notes, and I don't
> really see how to do this without even worse complications in the code if
> we do not use "METAFONT: The Program" as the title and "METAFONT" as the
> short title.
>
> For the British Library's definition of "collective-title" ("An inclusive
> title for an item containing several works or a title used to collocate the
> publications of an author, composer, or corporate body containing several
> works, or extracts etc. from several works, e.g. Complete works."), see
> http://www.bl.uk/bibliographic/ukmarcmanual/ukmarc_glossary.pdf.
> For one example of a library catalogue using "title" and
> "collective-title", see http://gso.gbv.de/DB=2.1/PPNSET?PPN=305817159.
>
> Finally, on "This would always be the hierarchy, from specific to broad?"
> – Yes, from a systematic point of view this would be best. This also seems
> to have been the consensus when I asked the MODS mailing list,
> m...@listserv.loc.gov, mostly frequented by librarians, how to best set
> up such title hierarchies in MODS.
>
> On 12 March 2015 at 14:20, Sebastian Karcher <karc...@u.northwestern.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> I don't have a clear opinion on this yet, but two downsides that come to
>> mind:
>> 1. It will make introducing this in styles much more code intensive:
>> instead of just adding the volume-title to the citation, we'd have to test
>> for the presence of volume title and if it exists, reverse the order of
>> elements in the style.
>> This may not become entirely clear with the Macbeth example, but if you
>> look at the CMoS example that motivated this:
>> Pelikan, Jaroslav. The Christian Tradition: A History of the Development
>> of Doctrine. Vol. 1, The Emergence of the Catholic Tradition (100–600).
>> Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1971.
>>
>> "The Christian Tradition: A History of the Development of Doctrine" would
>> now be the collective title
>> which leads to
>>
>> 2. It would require all upstream users to re-enter (rather than
>> complement) their data entry (moving the title to volume title).
>>
>> I'm particularly concerned about 1. I don't have a strong opinion on this
>> either way, but let's at least be aware of that.
>>
>> Sebastian
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 8:30 AM, Rintze Zelle <rintze.ze...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Nick Bart <nickbart1...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> and for chapters:
>>>>
>>>> - `title` (e.g. “Macbeth”)
>>>> - `container-title` (e.g. “Tragedies”)
>>>> - `collective-title` (e.g., “Collected Works”)
>>>> - `collection-title` (e.g., “Oxbridge Classical Texts”)
>>>>
>>>
>>> This would always be the hierarchy, from specific to broad? Do you have
>>> any links to library catalog entries on hand, that demonstrate the point?
>>>
>>> Rintze
>>>
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