Howdy Robert

On 21/12/2010, at 7:16 PM, Robert Hart wrote:
> On 20/12/10 09:35, Scott Penrose wrote:
>> I would like to do a collaborative edited document, preferably online. 
>> Anyone want to suggest any special technology. Choices are:
>> 
>> * Existing format = tex       and use GIT to edit it
>> * Wiki pages
>> * Google Docs
>> * Other ?
>> 
>> I know John will frown at me for saying this, but I think editing it with 
>> Tex is great for techies, but I would like to see manual contributors who 
>> are in the user space as well as the dev space, and an online edited system 
>> will remove all barriers to entry.
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>> Yes I am putting this to the User team rather than Dev, as I think there is 
>> many users could contribute to the manual.
>> 
>> BTW. You already have access to editing the wiki, so if there is any FAQ, 
>> Data file questions/answers, preferred setup, ability to share config files 
>> etc, you can already do it on the wiki
> My feelings are that we should produce the document using software that is 
> already usable by ordinary glider pilots and that means we cannot use Tex. 
> For myself, it has been way too long since I wrote using Tex and I would have 
> to relearn and simply don't have the time to do that.

Yes that is a fair enough response. It all depends on who is doing it. If we 
get 5 people who want to do it who are willing to use Tex, then go for it. If 
not,t hen we use something else :-)

But my feeling is that we will get more people that want to do it in a GUI than 
not. And I think that is fair enough, I am certainly willing to coordinate that.

> My suggestion is that we use something like Open/Libre Office for user text. 
> This is open source software (like XCSoar itself) and is readily available at 
> no cost. I have not used OO for a large document, so if its capabilities are 
> not good there, then we may need to migrate the text to something else. I 
> have used MS Word to write several large documents (150+ pages) and that was 
> a bit of a stretch...hopefully OO is better but I don't know!

Unfortunately you can't do effective collaboratively editing with Open Office 
or Word docs - there is no workable merging, so only a single person can edit. 
Not a solution we can use sorry. There is some hacks here, but I have worked on 
many large document projects in Education in Australia and they are horrible, 
you end up putting all the formatting work and merging onto one person.

We could however use Google Docs - which feels like a word processor, but 
allows collaborative editing and revisions.

> In hte first instance, I think the project is more manageable and more 
> readily distributed amongst many users if it is in several documents at least 
> during the writing stage.

Of course, as per my email, one doc per section.

> Whatever we use, we really need to produce a document that is PRINTABLE. That 
> way people can sit in their gliders on the ground and play with XCSoar with 
> their instrumentation. If we don't have a format that is printable, I think 
> we are missing the boat for many pilots.

Yes agreed. We must have a nicely formatted PDF that can be printed. It should 
have the usual things like content and index pages.

> I like the idea of having an online document (such as google docs or similar) 
> as this makes collaboration easier (or I hope it would as I have not used it).

I see I have spoken to the converted :-)

Which brings me to - are you happy to be one of the editors?

Thanks

Scooter



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