How about testing FLARM displays?
If we use XCSoar in sim mode, can we transmit NMEA signals out? If we can,
you should be able to connect your FLARM display to the Soartronic BT1
FLARM port and see the same FLARM traffic that is shown on XCSoar. XCSoar
developers, comment please!
2012/9/7 Ramy Yanetz <ryan...@yahoo.com>
> I have no access to conventional flarm displays, I doubt we have those in
> the US. But next time I fly I'll pay close attention to see if the
> butterfly display changes (such as rate of climb) while the XCSoar flarm
> radar is off, this should provide the answer if butterfly applies some
> filtering. Maybe Butterfly can help clarify this issue?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ramy
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* SoarTronic team <soartro...@gmail.com>
> *To:*
> *Cc:* XCSoar Users List <xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 7, 2012 12:42 AM
> *Subject:* [Xcsoar-user] Flarm radar
>
> Ramy, can you get a "conventional" external display for test use? The old
> LED type one?
> That has one LED indicating receiving data from other FLARM units.
> I looked at the data you posted to XCSoar bug reports, and it looked like
> NMEA signals indicating no traffic was received from FLARM.
>
>
> 2012/9/7 Michael Huber <michaelg.hu...@gmx.at>
>
> Ramy,****
> ** **
> I am still not convinced this is an XCSoar issue. The original Swiss Flarm
> has a „Receive“ LED, that AFAIK is not available on the Powerflarm. The LED
> is on whenever data from another Flarm is received. In some situations (for
> example, a glider with carbon fuselage circling above you and nobody else
> in range) it is quite common, that the receive LED goes on and off
> frequently during a circle, when reception is lost because of antenna
> positions in the gliders are not playing well together. When the LED goes
> off, the target is removed from XCSoar Flarm Radar almost instantly. ****
> In the same situation with a Powerflarm you probably would not even know
> that reception is lost, and blame XCSoar for not showing a target that´s
> obviously right there. Butterfly might apply some filtering, and still show
> the target for some time, although its position may be outdated already.
> ****
> ** **
> Michael****
> ** **
> *Von:* Ramy Yanetz [mailto:ryan...@yahoo.com]
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 06. September 2012 20:52
> *An:* SoarTronic team
> *Cc:* XCSoar Users List
>
> *Betreff:* Re: [Xcsoar-user] Flarm radar****
> ** **
> While we trying to figure out the issue with the flarm radar
> interruptions, I think it will be good to know if anyone else is using
> Powerflram (not standard flarm) successfully with XCSoar, and if so, is it
> a brick or portable and how is it connected. In particular would like to
> know about Dell Streak/Soartronic/powerflarm combo.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ramy****
> ** **
>
> ** **
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Ramy Yanetz <ryan...@yahoo.com>
> *To:* SoarTronic team <soartro...@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* XCSoar Users List <xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 4, 2012 7:35 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Xcsoar-user] Flarm radar****
> ** **
> I finally captured an NMEA file whille the flarm radar was going on and
> off the whole time. See ticket http://bugs.xcsoar.org/ticket/2322
>
> Ramy****
> ** **
>
> ** **
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Ramy Yanetz <ryan...@yahoo.com>
> *To:* SoarTronic team <soartro...@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* XCSoar Users List <xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 13, 2012 11:43 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Xcsoar-user] Flarm radar****
> ** **
> The Flarm radar seem to work fine on the ground with nearby static
> targets, but still goes on and off intermittently in the air. I secured the
> soartronic bluetooth and verified that the Flarm messages coming every
> second, so this is probably not an issue with the bluetooth. Unfortunately
> no NMEA log file, as by the time I figured how to turn on the raw logger in
> flight (should have tried it on the ground first) I had no more flarm
> targets. Once I get a log file I'll open a bug. Maybe this is an issue
> specific to Powerflarm. ****
> Otherwise the flarm radar is great as it provides more info than my
> Butterfly display. All we need is audio alert and it will be perfect. I'll
> open a ticket for that as well.****
> ** **
> Thanks,****
> ** **
> Ramy****
>
> ** **
> ------------------------------
> *From:* SoarTronic team <soartro...@gmail.com>
> *To:*
> *Cc:* XCSoar Users List <xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 8, 2012 12:30 AM
> *Subject:* [Xcsoar-user] Flarm radar****
> ** **
> I think you should look at the FLARM messages, ****
> Place you PDA/phone device where you normally use it during flight, start
> XCSoar and go to Config>Devices (FLARM selected)>Monitorig****
> You should now see a new FLARM NMEA sentence coming about once per second.
> ****
> If it is interrupted, look at the antenna position. Class 2 Bluetooth is
> designed for max 30 meters range, it's very low power system. If the
> antenna is between metal housings, for example, please move it so, that
> there are no metal or carbon fiber objects between receiving and
> transmitting antennas. Also place BT module away from radio and radio
> antenna cabling, and GPS antenna.****
> 2012/8/8 Ramy Yanetz <ryan...@yahoo.com>****
>
> The delay I noticed was more like 10 seconds or more. Also the flarm radar
> would go off and on while the butterfly display was still showing targets.
> This is all based on a single flight so not sure what was going on. Perhaps
> I missed something in the configuration? My 302 is configured as device A,
> Powerflarm via SoarTronic as deviced B (using Flarm driver). I also have
> the internal GPS as device C. ****
> ** **
> Ramy****
>
> ** **
> ------------------------------
> *From:* SoarTronic team <soartro...@gmail.com>
> *To:*
> *Cc:* "xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net" <
> xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 7, 2012 1:11 PM
> *Subject:* [Xcsoar-user] Flarm radar****
> ** **
> Flarm send a new NMEA sentence about once per second. The difference if it
> is transmitted on 19200 bauds or faster is just millisecs. Therefore we did
> not see it necessary to setup the Soartronic BT module for higher com speed
> than the std. 19200b.****
> 2012/8/7 Sascha Haffner <s_haff...@yahoo.com>****
> I also noticed a delay, but I wouldn't say it's significant maybe 1/2 sec.
> max I guess. Nonetheless, I keep Flarm radar turned off but show traffic
> in the map display, since I have a Butterfly and a Flarm V3 display
> connected to the Swiss built Flarm. Both display light up simultanously.
> Also I run the Dell Streak connected via BT (selfbuilt BT222) with
> 38.000baud. Assuming you run it with the standard 19.200baud, try speeding
> up the connection and see if you still see the delay.****
> ****
> Cheers****
> Sascha****
> ** **
> *Von:* SoarTronic team <soartro...@gmail.com>
> *An:*
> *CC:* xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> *Gesendet:* 14:49 Dienstag, 7.August 2012
> *Betreff:* Re: [Xcsoar-user] Flarm radar****
> ** **
> When I have been testing the communication, it looks like the LED based
> display in not very fast. It seems to take some time to notice, that GPS
> connection is fixed. This based on comparing the NMEA sentences received in
> XCSoar (Devices/Monitoring) and the LED external display. ****
> ** **
> 2012/8/7 Tobias Bieniek <tobias.bien...@gmx.de>****
> I've been using the Flarm Radar for over 3 years now and I haven't
> noticed any delays like that. It might be related to the PowerFLARM
> since we mostly use the original swiss Flarms here in Germany/Europe.
>
> Turbo
>
>
> 2012/8/7 Ramy Yanetz <ryan...@yahoo.com>:****
> > Finally got a chance to try the flarm radar with my powerflarm connected
> via
> > soartronic bluetooth. It seem to work well except that I noticed
> significant
> > delays between when the traffic shows up on my butterfly display to when
> the
> > flarm radar showed up and the traffic shows up on the map. Also the
> > radar/traffic would turn off intermittently while still showing on the
> > powerflarm display.
> > I set the flarm radar to turn off when there is no traffic.
> > Before I create a ticket I wanted to confirm if this is expected/known
> > behavior, or if others noticed this.
> >
> > Ramy
> >****
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