Hi guys, I think these are some interesting ideas that have come up here. I would love it if you could sketch them in some way so that is easier to visualize what exactly you are talking about. If I have something like that it would also be much easier to implement it at the end and it is also easier to discuss the advantages and disadvantages of the concepts.
Turbo 2012/9/12 SoarTronic team <soartro...@gmail.com>: > XCSoar has now two option for showing FLARM traffic > - Traffic added to the map display > - FLARM window, which appears when traffic detected. > > There are problems with FLARM communication, and these will not be 100% > solved. Therefore my opinion is, that also those gliders which have just > disappeared should still be visible some seconds. The FLARM system is > already quite much delayed, and operates based on predictions of the future > positions and speeds of objects. IMO if we have delayed information about a > glider nearby, or we have no information at all of a glider that is > somewhere nearby, I would chose the first option. > > The optimal display would show the predicted possible areas where gliders > might be after about 10 seconds. The glider positions displayed now are not > very accurate, because of these mentioned delays. > > For me, the FLARM window colors (shades of grey) are not very well readable, > and that adds sore delay. When you get older, it takes more time to focus > your eyes, and low contrast does not really help. > > 2012/9/12 Henrik Bieler <henrik.bie...@gmx.de> >> >> I like Ian's idea. >> >> The Flarm radar can serve as a tactical tool. (For example two gliders >> circling in different thermals 2km ahead. Which one should I be heading >> for, which has the better lift?) >> This is what I use it for most of the times. >> >> It can however also be used to improve situational awareness about the >> gliders in close proximity. >> Personally I prefer spending more time looking outside and if there is >> am alert I glance at the FLARM LED-display for a fast cue and then back >> outside. >> Nevertheless there might be situations where some additional information >> is helpful. >> >> So I think splitting the FLARM Radar behaviour in a proximity area and >> an area outside might be a good idea. >> >> My suggestion would be >> Proximity Area: >> - Instantaneous display >> - No Filtering or position extrapolation >> - Prox-Glider-Count displayed (as Ian suggested) >> - If reception of a target is lost don't show it, however keep it in the >> Prox-Glider-Count for a longer timespan >> >> Tactical Area (outside Prox-Area): >> >> - Filtered display >> - Show Average climbrates (eg. averaged over last 20sec) >> - Show the targets last position and climb rate even if reception is >> lost, for a longer timeout (eg. 30 sec) >> - Maybe extrapolate position for targets in straight flight. >> >> >> I think this should account for the tactical needs as well as the >> situational awareness. >> >> Greetings Henrik >> >> >> >> >> >> Am 12.09.2012 10:53, schrieb Ian: >> > On 11/09/2012 15:19, SoarTronic team wrote: >> > >> >> There were several gliders nearby, so if the communication was lost >> >> with >> >> the closest, the nearest indication was automatically changed to the >> >> "new" nearest one, I suppose. IMO only thing that works, is the FLARM >> >> traffic shown on map, like XCSoar or graphical FLARM display. Then you >> >> should be able to see all gliders near you, to improve >> >> your situation awareness. >> > I still see the XCSoar Flarm display as a more of a tactical one than an >> > alarm/safety display. But one situation where there is more information >> > available from XCsoar than a standard Flarm "remote" LED display is when >> > there are multiple Flarm equipped gliders in the immediate area. >> > >> > Perhaps the following feature would be useful: >> > >> > - A configurable "threat volume" in XCSoar. (Say 500m radius >> > horizontally and 100m vertical separation from the XCSoar equipped >> > glider). >> > >> > - A ring displayed on the XCsoar Flarm radar to illustrate the >> > horizontal extent of the threat volume. >> > >> > - A display in XCSoar that indicates the number of Flarm targets inside >> > the threat volume in an info box and/or on the XCSoar Flarm radar >> > screen. >> > >> > Then when XCSoar shows 3 flarm targets in your immediate vicinity and >> > you are only aware of 2 gliders, then you should be alerted to start >> > looking for the missing one! >> > >> > Of course not all gliders are Flarm equipped. Even in a club where Flarm >> > has been widely adopted years ago we have some gliders that are not >> > equipped. (Eg New arrivals, visitors and a few members who don't believe >> > in Flarm). There are also occasions when the Flarm in a particular >> > glider stops working for some or other reason (eg Antenna faults, cable >> > faults, blown fuses, battery failure, flarm unit failure and out of date >> > software). So you can never assume that the information on the Flarm >> > display represents ALL of the threats in the sky. >> > >> >> The development of Soartronic BT1 module started because of this >> >> accident. >> > The adoption of Flarm by our club was also motivated in part by an >> > accident in a local competition that resulted in two fatalities. I >> > sympathise with your loss and commend your efforts to develop the >> > technology. >> > >> > >> > Ian >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > Live Security Virtual Conference >> > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and >> > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. >> > Discussions >> > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in >> > malware >> > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Xcsoar-user mailing list >> > Xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xcsoar-user >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Live Security Virtual Conference >> Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and >> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. 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