I also agree with Andrew.

A general pattern for these cases is that take a close look at it and if
it's yet another aspect of an object make it a separate class.
Persistence, security, validation/business rules, xml/etc
marshaling/demarshaling are all aspects of an object. You can add/remove
aspects to an object, they can grow independently. Mixing everything in
one class is not a flexible design.

Ara.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:xdoclet-devel-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Andrew Stevens
> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 4:05 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Xdoclet-devel] CVS update:
> 'xdoclet/core/resources/xdoclet/ejb dataobject.j'
> 
> A wise old hermit known only as Mathias Bogaert
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> once said:
> 
> > Update of /cvsroot/xdoclet/xdoclet/core/resources/xdoclet/ejb
> > In directory
usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv10031/core/resources/xdoclet/ejb
> >
> > Modified Files:
> >     dataobject.j
> > Log Message:
> > Added experimental toXml method (remove again if not approved).
> 
> You may want to check out the postings on "XML Aware Value Objects" on
> theserverside.com
> (http://www.theserverside.com/patterns/thread.jsp?thread_id=10431)
> The impression I was left with was that value objects shouldn't
themselves
> do conversion to XML (or any other format you care to think of), but
> instead have some other class (marshaller/renderer) that can convert
your
> data object(s) to the format.  For one thing, you can add new formats
> without having to change the data objects.  In an ideal world, the
same
> would apply to toString, except that's there anyway from
java.lang.Object
> and it's handy for debug logging.
> 
> Secondly, should toXml really be returning a string anyway, rather
than an
> org.w3c.dom.Document?  It depends on what you plan to do with it
> subsequently, of course, but most of the uses I can think of in a J2EE
> application (e.g. applying a JAXP transform to it in your JSPs'
associated
> javabeans) will need to parse it first, which is slow; with a Document
you
> avoid that.  In a book I was reading on "J2EE and XML" a month or so
ago,
> things were *always* passed around as Documents - the only time they
ever
> got converted directly to a string was for writing to a text file, any
> other output was done via an XSL stylesheet.
> 
> However, if we use e.g. JDOM to build a Document in toXml() it
introduces
> additional library dependencies to the data objects (which is
> undesirable).  If the conversion is done by a separate class, on the
other
> hand, it's that class that has the dependency so only those people
using
> it need the extra libraries.
> 
> I guess, on the whole, my feeling is that we probably shouldn't have
(or
> don't need) a toXml(); it's worth discussing, though.  Comments,
people?
> 
> 
> Andrew.
> 
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