There is a European Rosettanet user group but as Hans says it is mainly
electronics and manufacturing companies.  The current leader of the
organization is from Siemens AG.  If you would like a contact for him
email me offline.  

www.edifice.org/ERUG/ERUG-020611-TC.ppt

Regards,

David Frenkel
Business Development
GEFEG USA
Global Leader in Ecommerce Tools
www.gefeg.com
425-260-5030

-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Flemming Stern-Peltz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 3:47 AM
To: XMLEDI Group
Subject: VS: Mapping

Robin, that is true. 

RosettaNets focus is on B2B in the High-tech industries i.e. Electronic
Components and IT Manufacturing and not Retail. However a lot of the
business processes covered are more universal in nature, so they could
be - and are - used by organisations outside the focused industries. And
as a lot of Application Server vendors support it directly in their
solutions, it is pretty easy to implement. The hard thing is finding
your information in the Backend Systems to support the Partner Interface
Process.

It is true that RosettaNet originally was a initiative from the US, but
in its foundation it is aimed at being global - actually the regionality
issue was one of the issues to be addressed.

There is a lot of activity implementing RosettaNet in Europe these days
with a lot of european channelmasters, whose business by nature is
global, embracing RosettaNet. I would believe that there is about a
40/40/20 split between US/APAC/EUROPE and that will change.


Kind regards 
Hans Flemming Stern-Peltz 

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Robin Declercq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sendt: 3. december 2002 12:14
Til: XMLEDI Group
Emne: RE: Mapping


Hans,

i am not aware of any large European retailer supporting RosettaNet. It
seems the focal point at the moment is the US?

regards,
robin

-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Flemming Stern-Peltz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: maandag 2 december 2002 22:14
To: XMLEDI Group
Subject: VS: Mapping


....which is why RosettaNet (http://www.rosettanet.org) is interesting
to look at - they use Business processes as their off-set, not
documents. And they actually have a lot of implementations by now. This
shows that when an industry sets out to do something and commit to it it
will happen.

You will find a lot of the Application Server vendors supporting
RosettaNet and having a mapping utility for mapping i.e. RosettaNet.


Kind regards 
Hans Flemming Stern-Peltz 


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: David Frenkel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sendt: 2. december 2002 19:39
Til: XMLEDI Group
Emne: RE: Mapping


Robin,
Yes there are plenty of small suppliers in the clothing side of retail
but the big box discounters still have to work with large companies like
P&G, Nestle, General Mills, 3M, Honeywell, etc.  I have worked with
large vendors and when a trading partner gets too demanding the
relationships get strained and sometimes temporarily broken.

Regards,

David Frenkel
Business Development
GEFEG USA
Global Leader in Ecommerce Tools
www.gefeg.com
425-260-5030

-----Original Message-----
From: Robin Declercq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 4:43 AM
To: XMLEDI Group
Subject: RE: Mapping

Geoff, 
in my experience, the party that does the mapping usually is the party
with the most bargaining power/ clout. A lot is industry-dependant, e.g.
the Retail sector is characterised by few large retailers and a lot of
small suppliers. Typically, the large retailers can force its suppliers
to perform mappings, and/or to use a web/EDI application to bridge the
two systems. In my opinion it mostly boils down to a negotiation process
between exchanging parties.

kind regards,
Robin
__________________
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Robin Declercq
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-----Original Message-----
From: Geoffrey Carter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: maandag 2 december 2002 12:57
To: XMLEDI Group
Subject: Mapping


A question - it is rare to be able to get both partners in an
interchange to use the same schema / standard.  Someone has to map. What
is the view as to who should best do this?  As a general rule I prefer
to take a message in the format of the issuer and map to my schemas that
tie in with my back-end processes.  Similarly I prefer to send a message
in my format and let the recipient map.  Is there a "best practice" view
amongst the group?

Geoff Carter



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