Not sure about this...

Did you try setting up two monitor stanzas for each your monitors for 
defining what resolution should be run?

On Fri, 3 May 2002, Steve Sullivan wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I have a laptop - external monitor problem and will *gladly*
> send $25 to the first person who posts the critical
> info to get it running correctly.  Let me buy you lunch ...
> just wish I could be there too :-)
> 
> Here's the issue -
> 
> I'm running XFree86 Version 4.1.0 (Red Hat Linux release: 4.1.0-3)
> on Redhat 7.2 on a Dell Inspiron 8000 laptop / ATI Rage 128 Mobility.
> The laptop screen is 1400x1050, and the external monitor is
> 1600x1200.  I can run the external monitor at 1400x1050,
> but I really need to drive it at 1600x1200.
> 
> When I hit Fn-F8 to switch monitors the external
> monitor works OK, but only at 1400x1050.
> When I put the line 
>         Option       "Display" "CRT" 
> in the Device section, the laptop screen turns off and the external
> turns on automatically, without Fn-F8.
> But it's at 1400x1050, and is all wavey/jittery/turbulent.
> 
> How can I get the external monitor running at 1600x1200?
> The config and log files are appended below.
> 
> Again, my offer is serious and is for the first person
> who offers the full solution.
> 
> Many thanks!
> 
> Steve
> 
> ========================================
> Steve Sullivan    [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>    Mathcom Solutions: Custom Software Development.
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> 
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> ========================================
> 
> 
> ==================== begin /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
> 
> # File generated by anaconda.
> 
> Section "ServerLayout"
>         Identifier     "Anaconda Configured"
>         Screen      0  "Screen0" 0 0
>         InputDevice    "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
>         InputDevice    "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
> EndSection
> 
> Section "Files"
> 
> # The location of the RGB database.  Note, this is the name of the
> # file minus the extension (like ".txt" or ".db").  There is normally
> # no need to change the default.
> 
>     RgbPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"
> 
> # Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (they are concatenated together)
> # By default, Red Hat 6.0 and later now use a font server independent of
> # the X server to render fonts.
> 
>     FontPath   "unix/:7100"
> 
> EndSection
> 
> Section "Module"
>         Load  "GLcore"
>         Load  "dbe"
>         Load  "extmod"
>       Load "fbdevhw"
>       Load "pex5"
>       Load "dri"
>         Load  "glx"
>         Load  "pex5"
>         Load  "record"
>         Load  "xie"
> EndSection
> 
> Section "InputDevice"
>         Identifier  "Keyboard0"
>         Driver      "keyboard"
> 
> #     Option  "AutoRepeat"    "500 5"
> 
> # when using XQUEUE, comment out the above line, and uncomment the
> # following line
> #     Option  "Protocol"      "Xqueue"
> 
> # Specify which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled (eg, with xset(1))
> #     Option  "Xleds"         "1 2 3"
> 
> # To disable the XKEYBOARD extension, uncomment XkbDisable.
> #     Option  "XkbDisable"
> 
> # To customise the XKB settings to suit your keyboard, modify the
> # lines below (which are the defaults).  For example, for a non-U.S.
> # keyboard, you will probably want to use:
> #     Option  "XkbModel"      "pc102"
> # If you have a US Microsoft Natural keyboard, you can use:
> #     Option  "XkbModel"      "microsoft"
> #
> # Then to change the language, change the Layout setting.
> # For example, a german layout can be obtained with:
> #     Option  "XkbLayout"     "de"
> # or:
> #     Option  "XkbLayout"     "de"
> #     Option  "XkbVariant"    "nodeadkeys"
> #
> # If you'd like to switch the positions of your capslock and
> # control keys, use:
> #     Option  "XkbOptions"    "ctrl:nocaps"
>       Option  "XkbRules"      "xfree86"
>       Option  "XkbModel"      "microsoftpro"
>       Option  "XkbLayout"     "us"
>       Option  "XkbVariant"    "basic"
>       #Option "XkbOptions"    ""
> EndSection
> 
> Section "InputDevice"
>         Identifier  "Mouse0"
>         Driver      "mouse"
>         Option      "Protocol" "PS/2"
>         Option      "Device" "/dev/psaux"
>         Option      "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
>         Option      "Emulate3Buttons" "yes"
> EndSection
> 
> Section "Monitor"
>         Identifier   "Monitor0"
>         VendorName   "Monitor Vendor"
>         ModelName    "Monitor Model"
>         HorizSync   31.5-90
>         VertRefresh 59-75
>         Option "dpms"
> 
>       # -- 1600x1200 --
>       # 1600x1200 @ 60Hz, 75.00 kHz hsync
>       Modeline "1600x1200"  162   1600 1664 1856 2160
>                                 1200 1201 1204 1250 +HSync +VSync
> 
>         # -- 1400x1050 --
>         # 1400x1050 @ 60Hz, 65.8 kHz hsync
>         Modeline "1400x1050"  129   1400 1464 1656 1960
>                               1050 1051 1054 1100 +HSync +VSync
> 
>         # 1400x1050 @ 70Hz, 76.8 kHz hsync
> #        Modeline "1400x1050"  151   1400 1464 1656 1960
> #                              1050 1051 1054 1100 +HSync +VSync
> 
>         # 1400x1050 @ 75Hz, 82.3 kHz hsync
> #        Modeline "1400x1050"  162   1400 1464 1656 1960
> #                              1050 1051 1054 1100 +HSync +VSync
> 
>         # 1400x1050 @ 85Hz, 93.2 kHz hsync
> #        Modeline "1400x1050"  184   1400 1464 1656 1960
> #                              1050 1051 1054 1100 +HSync +VSync
> 
> EndSection
> 
> Section "Device"
>       # no known options
>       Identifier   "ATI Rage 128 Mobility"
>         Driver       "r128"
>         VendorName   "ATI Rage 128 Mobility"
>         BoardName     "ATI Rage 128 Mobility"
>         Option       "Display" "CRT" 
>         
>         #BusID
> EndSection
> 
> Section "Screen"
>       Identifier   "Screen0"
>         Device       "ATI Rage 128 Mobility"
>         Monitor      "Monitor0"
>       DefaultDepth    24
> 
>       Subsection "Display"
>               Depth       24
>                 Modes       "1400x1050" 
>       EndSubsection
> 
> EndSection
> 
> Section "DRI"
>       Mode 0666
> EndSection
> 
> 
> ====================== begin log ===========================
> 
> XFree86 Version 4.1.0 (Red Hat Linux release: 4.1.0-3) / X Window System
> (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6510)
> Release Date: 2 June 2001
>       If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is
>       newer than the above date, look for a newer version before
>       reporting problems.  (See http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ)
> Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.7-0.13.1smp i686 [ELF] 
> Build Host: stripples.devel.redhat.com
>  
> Module Loader present
> (==) Log file: "/var/log/XFree86.0.log", Time: Thu May  2 03:28:32 2002
> (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4"
> Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
>          (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
>          (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
> (==) ServerLayout "Anaconda Configured"
> (**) |-->Screen "Screen0" (0)
> (**) |   |-->Monitor "Monitor0"
> (**) |   |-->Device "ATI Rage 128 Mobility"
> (**) |-->Input Device "Mouse0"
> (**) |-->Input Device "Keyboard0"
> (**) XKB: rules: "xfree86"
> (**) XKB: model: "microsoftpro"
> (**) XKB: layout: "us"
> (**) XKB: variant: "basic"
> (**) FontPath set to "unix/:7100"
> (**) RgbPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"
> (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules"
> (--) using VT number 7
> 
> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libbitmap.a
> (II) Module bitmap: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
>       compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 1.0.0
> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libpcidata.a
> (II) Module pcidata: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
>       compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 0.1.0
> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libscanpci.a
> (II) Module scanpci: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
>       compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 0.1.0
> (II) Unloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libscanpci.a
> (--) PCI:*(1:0:0) ATI Rage 128 Mobility MF rev 0, Mem @ 0xe8000000/26, 
>0xfcffc000/14, I/O @ 0xcc00/8
> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a
> (II) Module GLcore: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
>       compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 1.0.0
> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdbe.a
> (II) Module dbe: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
>       compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 1.0.0
> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libextmod.a
> (II) Module extmod: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
>       compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 1.0.0
> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libfbdevhw.a
> (II) Module fbdevhw: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
>       compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 0.0.2
> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libpex5.a
> (II) Module pex5: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
>       compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 1.0.0
> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a
> (II) Module dri: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
>       compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 1.0.0
> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libdrm.a
> (II) Module drm: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
>       compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 1.0.0
> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.a
> (II) Module glx: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
>       compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 1.0.0
> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/librecord.a
> (II) Module record: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
>       compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 1.13.0
> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libxie.a
> (II) Module xie: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
>       compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 1.0.0
> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/r128_drv.o
> (II) Module r128: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
>       compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 4.0.1
> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/ati_drv.o
> (II) Module ati: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
>       compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 6.3.6
> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input/mouse_drv.o
> (II) Module mouse: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
>       compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 1.0.0
> (II) ATI: ATI driver (version 6.3.6) for chipsets: ati, ativga
> (II) R128: Driver for ATI Rage 128 chipsets: ATI Rage 128 RE (PCI),
>       ATI Rage 128 RF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 RG (AGP), ATI Rage 128 RK (PCI),
>       ATI Rage 128 RL (AGP), ATI Rage 128 SM (AGP),
>       ATI Rage 128 Pro PD (PCI), ATI Rage 128 Pro PF (AGP),
>       ATI Rage 128 Pro ULTRA TF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Pro ULTRA TL (AGP),
>       ATI Rage 128 Pro ULTRA TR (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Mobility LE (PCI),
>       ATI Rage 128 Mobility LF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Mobility MF (AGP),
>       ATI Rage 128 Mobility ML (AGP)
> (II) RADEON: Driver for ATI Radeon chipsets: ATI Radeon QD (AGP),
>       ATI Radeon QE (AGP), ATI Radeon QF (AGP), ATI Radeon QG (AGP),
>       ATI Radeon VE QY (AGP), ATI Radeon VE QZ (AGP),
>       ATI Radeon Mobility LW (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility LY (AGP),
>       ATI Radeon Mobility LZ (AGP)
> (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device
> (--) Chipset ATI Rage 128 Mobility MF (AGP) found
> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libvgahw.a
> (II) Module vgahw: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
>       compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 0.1.0
> (II) R128(0): PCI bus 1 card 0 func 0
> (**) R128(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32
> (II) R128(0): Pixel depth = 24 bits stored in 4 bytes (32 bpp pixmaps)
> (==) R128(0): Default visual is TrueColor
> (==) R128(0): RGB weight 888
> (II) R128(0): Using 8 bits per RGB (8 bit DAC)
> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libint10.a
> (II) Module int10: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
>       compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 1.0.0
> (II) R128(0): initializing int10
> (II) R128(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000
> (--) R128(0): Chipset: "ATI Rage 128 Mobility MF (AGP)" (ChipID = 0x4d46)
> (--) R128(0): Linear framebuffer at 0xe8000000
> (--) R128(0): MMIO registers at 0xfcffc000
> (--) R128(0): VideoRAM: 16384 kByte (128-bit SDR SGRAM 1:1)
> (**) R128(0): Using flat panel for display
> (II) R128(0): Panel size: 1400x1050
> (II) R128(0): Panel ID: IBM ITSX95              
> (II) R128(0): Panel Type: Color, Single, TFT
> (II) R128(0): Panel Interface: LVDS
> (II) R128(0): PLL parameters: rf=2700 rd=60 min=12500 max=25000; xclk=10500
> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libddc.a
> (II) Module ddc: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
>       compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 1.0.0
> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libvbe.a
> (II) Module vbe: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
>       compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 1.0.0
> (II) R128(0): VESA BIOS detected
> (II) R128(0): VESA VBE DDC supported
> (II) R128(0): Manufacturer: DEL  Model: a002  Serial#: 825246008
> (II) R128(0): Year: 2002  Week: 9
> (II) R128(0): EDID Version: 1.3
> (II) R128(0): Analog Display Input,  Input Voltage Level: 0.700/0.300 V
> (II) R128(0): Sync:  Separate  Composite  SyncOnGreen
> (II) R128(0): Max H-Image Size [cm]: horiz.: 41  vert.: 31
> (II) R128(0): Gamma: 2.50
> (II) R128(0): DPMS capabilities: StandBy Suspend Off; RGB/Color Display
> (II) R128(0): First detailed timing is preferred mode
> (II) R128(0): GTF timings supported
> (II) R128(0): redX: 0.630 redY: 0.340   greenX: 0.300 greenY: 0.590
> (II) R128(0): blueX: 0.149 blueY: 0.109   whiteX: 0.312 whiteY: 0.328
> (II) R128(0): Supported VESA Video Modes:
> (II) R128(0): 720x400@70Hz
> (II) R128(0): 640x480@60Hz
> (II) R128(0): 640x480@75Hz
> (II) R128(0): 800x600@60Hz
> (II) R128(0): 800x600@75Hz
> (II) R128(0): 1024x768@60Hz
> (II) R128(0): 1024x768@75Hz
> (II) R128(0): 1280x1024@75Hz
> (II) R128(0): Manufacturer's mask: 0
> (II) R128(0): Supported Future Video Modes:
> (II) R128(0): #0: hsize: 1280  vsize 1024  refresh: 60  vid: 32897
> (II) R128(0): #1: hsize: 1600  vsize 1200  refresh: 60  vid: 16553
> (II) R128(0): #2: hsize: 1152  vsize 864  refresh: 75  vid: 20337
> (II) R128(0): Supported additional Video Mode:
> (II) R128(0): clock: 162.0 MHz   Image Size:  367 x 275 mm
> (II) R128(0): h_active: 1600  h_sync: 1664  h_sync_end 1856 h_blank_end 2160 
>h_border: 0
> (II) R128(0): v_active: 1200  v_sync: 1201  v_sync_end 1204 v_blanking: 1250 
>v_border: 0
> (II) R128(0): Serial No: 9E24922Q10A80
> (II) R128(0): Monitor name: DELL 2000FP
> (II) R128(0): Ranges: V min: 56  V max: 76 Hz, H min: 31  H max: 80 kHz, PixClock 
>max 160 MHz
> (==) R128(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0)
> (II) R128(0): Monitor0: Using hsync range of 31.50-90.00 kHz
> (II) R128(0): Monitor0: Using vrefresh range of 59.00-75.00 Hz
> (II) R128(0): Clock range:  12.50 to 250.00 MHz
> (II) R128(0): Not using mode "1600x1200" (no mode of this name)
> (II) R128(0): Not using default mode "640x350" (vrefresh out of range)
> (II) R128(0): Not using default mode "640x400" (vrefresh out of range)
> (II) R128(0): Not using default mode "720x400" (no mode of this name)
> (II) R128(0): Not using default mode "640x480" (hsync out of range)
> (II) R128(0): Not using default mode "640x480" (vrefresh out of range)
> (II) R128(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (vrefresh out of range)
> (II) R128(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (vrefresh out of range)
> (II) R128(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
> (II) R128(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (vrefresh out of range)
> (II) R128(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (vrefresh out of range)
> (II) R128(0): Not using default mode "1152x864" (no mode of this name)
> (II) R128(0): Not using default mode "1280x960" (no mode of this name)
> (II) R128(0): Not using default mode "1280x960" (no mode of this name)
> (II) R128(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (vrefresh out of range)
> (II) R128(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (hsync out of range)
> (II) R128(0): Not using default mode "1792x1344" (no mode of this name)
> (II) R128(0): Not using default mode "1792x1344" (bad mode 
>clock/interlace/doublescan)
> (II) R128(0): Not using default mode "1856x1392" (no mode of this name)
> (II) R128(0): Not using default mode "1856x1392" (bad mode 
>clock/interlace/doublescan)
> (II) R128(0): Not using default mode "1920x1440" (no mode of this name)
> (II) R128(0): Not using default mode "1920x1440" (bad mode 
>clock/interlace/doublescan)
> (--) R128(0): Virtual size is 1400x1050 (pitch 1408)
> (**) R128(0): Mode "1400x1050": 108.0 MHz, 76.4 kHz, 71.7 Hz
> (--) R128(0): Display dimensions: (41, 31) cm
> (--) R128(0): DPI set to (86, 86)
> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libfb.a
> (II) Module fb: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
>       compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 1.0.0
> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libramdac.a
> (II) Module ramdac: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
>       compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 0.1.0
> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libxaa.a
> (II) Module xaa: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
>       compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 1.0.0
> (--) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp
> (==) R128(0): Write-combining range (0xe8000000,0x1000000)
> (WW) R128(0): Static buffer allocation failed -- need at least 17325 kB video memory
> (II) R128(0): Memory manager initialized to (0,0) (1408,2978)
> (II) R128(0): Reserved area from (0,1050) to (1408,1052)
> (II) R128(0): Largest offscreen area available: 1408 x 1926
> (==) R128(0): Backing store disabled
> (==) R128(0): Silken mouse enabled
> (II) R128(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA)
>       Screen to screen bit blits
>       Solid filled rectangles
>       8x8 mono pattern filled rectangles
>       Indirect CPU to Screen color expansion
>       Solid Lines
>       Dashed Lines
>       Scanline Image Writes
>       Offscreen Pixmaps
>       Setting up tile and stipple cache:
>               32 128x128 slots
>               13 256x256 slots
>               5 512x512 slots
> (II) R128(0): Acceleration enabled
> (II) R128(0): Using hardware cursor (scanline 4208)
> (II) R128(0): Largest offscreen area available: 1408 x 1924
> (WW) R128(0): Option "dpms" is not used
> (II) R128(0): Direct rendering disabled
> (**) Mouse0: Protocol: "PS/2"
> (**) Mouse0: Core Pointer
> (==) Mouse0: Buttons: 3
> (**) Mouse0: Emulate3Buttons, Emulate3Timeout: 50
> (**) Mouse0: ZAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5
> (II) Keyboard "Keyboard0" handled by legacy driver
> (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Mouse0" (type: MOUSE)
> XIM DEBUG: SESSION_MANAGER=local/helix:/tmp/.ICE-unix/3653
> SetKbdSettings - type: 2 rate: 30 delay: 500 snumlk: 0
> SetKbdSettings - Succeeded
> 
> Gtk-WARNING **: invalid cast from (NULL) pointer to `GtkOptionMenu'
> 
> Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkoptionmenu.c: line 248 (gtk_option_menu_set_history): 
>assertion `option_menu != NULL' failed.
> AUDIT: Thu May  2 03:28:36 2002: 3650 X: client 7 rejected from local host
> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
> xscreensaver: Can't open display: :0
> xscreensaver: initial effective uid/gid was root/root (0/0)
> xscreensaver: running as nobody/nobody (99/99)
> 
> xscreensaver: This is probably because you're logging in as root.  You
>               shouldn't log in as root: you should log in as a normal user,
>               and then `su' as needed.  If you insist on logging in as
>               root, you will have to turn off X's security features before
>               xscreensaver will work.
> 
>               Please read the manual and FAQ for more information:
> 
>               http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/faq.html
>               http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/man.html
> 
> Unbound variable: ,A0A(B
> Message: Successfully registered 
>`OAFIID:nautilus_factory:bd1e1862-92d7-4391-963e-37583f0daef3'
> 
> Gtk-WARNING **: gtk_signal_disconnect_by_data(): could not find handler containing 
>data (0x8176BC8)
> Message: Successfully registered `OAFIID:Bonobo_Moniker_std_Factory'
> Gdk-ERROR **: X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
> Gdk-ERROR **: X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
> Gdk-ERROR **: X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
> Gdk-ERROR **: X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
> Gdk-ERROR **: X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
> X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
> X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
> Gdk-ERROR **: X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
> xinit:  connection to X server lost.
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