On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Geoffrey wrote:

>Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:29:02 -0400
>From: Geoffrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>List-Id: General X Discussion <xpert.XFree86.Org>
>Subject: Re: Re: Is the XFree development stuck in a dead end?
>
>Mike A. Harris wrote:
>> On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Christian Berger wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>>    Netscape is much faster than Mozilla.  I think it's just that some
>>>>design decisions in the X version of Mozilla, which is probably much
>>>>different than the Window's version, are suboptimal.  Having seen enough
>>>>
>>>Well I doubt Mozilla for Windows is faster than Mozilla for Linux.
>>>
>> 
>> You've not tried it then.  Mozilla for Windows running on my box 
>> on one processor runs faster than Mozilla in Linux running on 
>> both processors.  (Win98SE).  Application startup time is faster 
>> for Mozilla in Windows, as is runtime execution.  Not measured or 
>> benchmarked mind you.  It is visibly noticeable.
>
>I'm really hoping this thread dies soon, but I've got to chime in here. 
>  There is absolutely no comparison between the windows gui and X.  I 
>routinely have 10-15 windows open, which would include at least 2 
>mozilla mail windows and minimally 3-4 browser windows.  I also have 2 
>desktops with 3 virtual desktops each.  You just don't get that kind of 
>functionality with a Windows gui and if you tried to have that many 
>windows open on win95, win98, nt, win2k, it would purely meltdown.  I 
>have no experience with winxp and don't plan to, but I suspect it's no 
>different.  The above argument appears to revolve around Mozilla, not X.

I think perhaps you've misinterpreted what I've said.  My above 
claims did not really have anything at all to do with comparing X 
to Windows.  What I was saying was that Mozilla is slower in 
Linux than it is in Windows, and that the reason for that is a 
Mozilla issue, not an X issue or a Windows issue.  Mozilla shares 
code between Windows and X11, however the Windows specific 
Mozilla code is more optimized than the X specific Mozilla code.

Basically, the fact Mozilla is slower in Linux/X has nothing to 
do with X, and is no indicator that X is slower than Windows.
The entire Mozilla discussion is a sidetrack from the $topic 
actually.  I just wanted to set the record straight that Mozilla 
*is* faster in Windows contrary to the given hypothesis that it 
would not be faster in Windows.  I mostly use Mozilla in Linux, 
however any time I get stuck in a Windows environment and need a 
browser, that browser is Mozilla, and since I use it all the 
time, seeing it start up and run several times faster than I'm 
used to in Linux, is a noticeable thing.  I've never assumed that 
this was due to Windows being faster.

IMHO, any slow GUI code running in X, is more likely to be a
poorly written *application* or an unoptimized app, or 
unoptimized toolkit or similar.

In the end however, only true profiling can be the judge in any 
particular case of a slow app.

-- 
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