Hello Michael,

I'm not sure how this relates to what the Xubuntu team is planning to do.

This is mostly for the reason that Xubuntu is a completely community-driven project and no money is put into the marketing. For this reason, the marketing tends to be more on the passive than active side. This means that we do not really do the kind of outreach you are describing.

On the subject of converting, I don't think anybody in the team is working on Xubuntu because they feel the need to convert everybody into Linux. At least my personal main motive isn't to try to convert people to Xubuntu, but to make Xubuntu better for myself and thus for the others as well.

That said (but while we have absolutely no statistics on the subject, specifically as we don't do active marketing), I know that a lot of people have converted from other (non-Linux) operating systems to Xubuntu.

Finally, the proposal I made was simply to gather testimonials and thanks that come to us naturally, not actively going looking for it either.

Rather than being negative and sceptic about the power of marketing, I'd like us to celebrate what we love about Xubuntu. We can't ever please everybody, so it is better stick to what we think is the right way to go and people will follow.

Cheers,
Pasi

On 2016-08-08 12:53, michael meelis wrote:
Hi,

For what is worth, that is what I have been going (as a lead) for 5
years full time withhttp://www.freshbook.nl/faq/ (check with google translate Dutch-English (or your language))
(Note: Site design is now also 5 years old. Also click through to
youtube for timestamps).

I can tell you the whole case from:
* First Windows user found the UI too ugly, so we make Xubuntu look
   really cool
* Than we had to make videos to show how cool it is (seeing is
   believing).
* Than we made a teaching video of 3 hours (production took one whole
   year). Youtube kept on flagging it with violation on public domain
   stuff. Even with videos that where uploaded much later. That*we*
   were as violation their content that they had ripped from us!!! (GO
   FIGURE)
* Than we had 10 (+1) professional cartoons made to point out Windows
   Annoyances. See:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zAQwetfXvw  or
   The +1 video is:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NShpY_oSs4
* Than we had to make a cool website because ppl believe more what they
   *read*  than what they see with their*own*  eyes. Weird but true.
* Than we organised events all over the country (NL) where ppl could try
   it out on their own computer. Help them upgrade and transition.
* Than we took each weekend a stand at a different summer fair. To show
   it to ppl that where not looking for it.
* Than we recruited supporters to go out an do it.

In the whole process we spent a*lot*  of money on 3rd parties, salaries,
PR, advertisement, flyers, marketing, etc, etc.

Summer of 5 years work: we converted no one!!! Let that sink in!!
Near no one! Only ppl who where already convinced we have helped with
the transition. The conversion rate of near 0% is is statistically
significant. We have have written it of as some sort of Mind Control to
keep ppl in the dominant systems. To check this theory we retested it
with Andriod users with slow smartphones. Same results.

So do what you have to do but expect nothing.


Hope this feedback helps,
Michael

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