The corporate tone. On 7/12/07, Simon Phipps <webmink at sun.com> wrote: > > What part of Linda's e-mail suggested to you a private meeting? > S. > > On Jul 12, 2007, at 16:31, Chris Mahan wrote: > > Linda, > > With all due respect, those of us who are interested in this project and > who do not work at Sun do not have access to the in-person meetings and are > only able to follow and participate in conversations if they are held in > public forums such as this mailing list. Furthermore, while the transcripts > of such meetings or good summaries of such meeting might subsequently be > made available, the non-Sun community would just be a passive listener > rather than an active participant, unable to voice opinions and concerns > during such meetings. > > It is with great trepidation that I feel Sun is trying to assert its > command-and-control mechanisms on a supposedly open community, and I also > feel that Alan might have offended some higher-ups and is now going to get a > no-so-gentle grilling to the tune of "don't forget who writes your > paycheck." I would like to say to that that as far as I am concerned, Alan > has done a fantastic job on OpenSolaris and deserves to be treated with > respect as both a seasoned professional in his field as well as a sorely > needed instrument of change in Sun's OpenSolaris community-building efforts. > > > I understand that some things are best dealt in person, and I especially > understand how companies feel that heated arguments are best held behind > closed doors. I would just point out that in general open-source people, > geographically spread as they are, do not have the luxury of meeting behind > closed doors but rather have developed protocols to have such discussions in > the open, in publicly available and google-searched mailing lists and > forums, and have successfully done so for many years with very good results. > The Sun employees who participate in and maintain these public mailing lists > and forums have done a tremendous job learning from and applying these > informal protocols and have, as a result, been able to engage a wide variety > of non-Sun people in discussions relating to OpenSolaris. > > It is my wish that you would be considerate of these efforts and results > and keep the community involved rather than take a supposedly "open" process > behind corporate doors. > > Sincerely, > > Christopher Mahan > > > On 7/12/07, Fellingham Linda <Linda.Fellingham at sun.com> wrote: > > > > Alan, > > > > I think this is probably a discussion that needs to happen on other > > than just email exchanges. I've asked Ron B. to set up a meeting to > > discuss X and OpenGL futures at a higher level. > > > > Thanks, > > Linda > > > > On Jul 11, 2007, at 4:34 PM, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > > > > > Alan Coopersmith wrote: > > >> from a > > >> pure resource management perspective, it would seem the best > > >> solution is > > >> to remove your team's OpenGL from Solaris altogether and ship Mesa > > >> on both > > >> platforms. This would also give customers the same OpenGL > > >> interfaces on > > >> both platforms, though without hardware acceleration on SPARC, > > >> much as x86 > > >> users have had to suffer through for years, and would allow us to > > >> ship the > > >> open source OpenGL on both platforms for Indiana instead of > > >> relying on your > > >> closed source solution. > > > > > > After thinking about this some more, it may just be the best answer > > > all > > > around for Nevada & Indiana (but not Solaris 10) - since those will > > > ship > > > only with Xorg, not Xsun, and SPARC graphics has only enough resources > > > committed to Xorg to provide drivers for XVR-100, XVR-300, and > > > XVR-2500, > > > and of those only XVR-2500 has OpenGL hardware acceleration, moving to > > > > > Mesa/DRI for Nevada/Indiana will give *more* customers hardware > > > acceleration > > > than sticking with the current OpenGL - we'll be able to leverage > > > the existing > > > ATI Radeon Mesa/DRI drivers that the x86 team has ported to Solaris > > > already > > > and give XVR-100 & XVR-300 users hardware acceleration that they > > > don't have > > > today, and your team will be able to port the existing XVR-2500 > > > driver (which > > > was originally written for Mesa/DRI, and even with Xsun I'm told > > > still uses > > > DRI under the hood). It will also make it possible for IHV's like > > > Tadpole > > > who want to provide hardware acceleration for OpenGL on their SPARC > > > platforms > > > to be able to do so, which will bring hardware acceleration to another > > > > > batch of users who can't have it with the current SPARC OpenGL. > > > > > > We'll have to resolve the client library ABI issues around the > > > proprietary > > > Sun OpenGL ABI, but that may be a smaller problem than trying to > > > shoehorn > > > the old code into the new world and keep it up to date. > > > > > > -- > > > -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith at sun.com > > > Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > indiana-discuss mailing list > > indiana-discuss at opensolaris.org > > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss > > > > > > -- > Chris Mahan > http://www.christophermahan.com/ > chris_mahan at yahoo.com > chris.mahan at gmail.com > cell 818.943.1850 _______________________________________________ > indiana-discuss mailing list > indiana-discuss at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss > > >
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