My initial question was mostly intended to understand the desired new classification of Windows after the merge, and how we plan to maintain Windows support. I am happy to hear that hardware for Jenkins will be provided. I am also fine, at least initially, with us trying to treat Windows as a first class supported platform. But I realize that there are a lot of people that do not have easy access to Windows for development/debugging, myself included. I also don't want to slow down the pace of development too much because of this. It will cause some organizations that do not use or support Windows to be more likely to run software that has diverged from an official release. It also has the potential to make the patch submission process even more difficult, which increases the likelihood of submitters abandoning patches. However, the great thing about being in a community is we can change if we need to.
I am +0 for the merge. I am not a Windows expert so I don't feel comfortable giving it a true +1. --Bobby On 2/28/13 10:45 AM, "Chris Nauroth" <cnaur...@hortonworks.com> wrote: >I'd like to share a few anecdotes about developing cross-platform, >hopefully to address some of the concerns about adding overhead to the >development process. By reviewing past cases of cross-platform Linux vs. >Windows bugs, we can get a sense for how the development process could >look >in the future. > >HADOOP-9131: TestLocalFileSystem#testListStatusWithColons cannot run on >Windows. As part of an earlier jira, HADOOP-8962, there was a new test >committed on trunk covering the case of a local file system interaction on >a file containing a ':'. On Windows, ':' in a path has special meaning as >part of the drive specifier (i.e. C:), so this test cannot pass when >running on Windows. In this kind of case, the cross-platform bug is >obvious, and the fix is obvious (assumeTrue(!Shell.WINDOWS)). Ideally, >this would get fixed pre-commit after seeing a -1 from the Windows Jenkins >slave. > >HDFS-4274: BlockPoolSliceScanner does not close verification log during >shutdown. This caused problems for MiniDFSCluster-based tests running on >Windows. Failure to close the verification log meant that we didn't >release file locks, so the tests couldn't delete/recreate working >directories during teardown/setup. Arguably, this was always a bug, and >running on Windows just exposed it because of its stricter rules about >file >locking. This is a more complex fix, but it doesn't require >platform-specific knowledge. If some future patch accidentally regresses >this, then we'll likely see +1 from Linux Jenkins and -1 from Windows >Jenkins. Ideally, it would get fixed pre-commit, because it doesn't >require Windows-specific knowledge. There is also the matter of impact. > Re-breaking this would re-break many test suites on Windows. > >HADOOP-9232: JniBasedUnixGroupsMappingWithFallback fails on Windows with >UnsatisfiedLinkError. This was introduced by HADOOP-8712, which switched >to JniBasedUnixGroupsMappingWithFallback as the default >hadoop.security.group.mapping, but did not provide a Windows >implementation >of the JNI function. In this case, there was a strong desire to get >HADOOP-8712 into a release, fixing it on Windows required native Windows >API knowledge, and Windows users had a simple workaround available by >changing their configs back to ShellBasedUnixGroupsMapping. I think this >is the kind of situation where we could allow HADOOP-8712 to commit >despite >-1 from Windows Jenkins, with fairly quick follow-up from an engineer with >the Windows expertise to fix it. > >To summarize, I don't think it needs to differ greatly from our current >development process. We're all responsible for breadth of understanding >and maintenance of the whole codebase, but we also rely on specific >individuals with deep expertise in particular areas for certain issues. > Sometimes we commit despite a -1 from Jenkins, based on the community's >judgment. > >Virtualization greatly simplifies cross-platform development. I use >VirtualBox on a Mac host and run VMs for Windows and Ubuntu with a shared >drive so that they can all see the same copy of the source code. There >are >plenty of variations on this depending on your preference, such as >offloading the VMs to a separate server or cloud service to free up local >RAM. I'm planning on submitting BUILDING.txt changes later today that >fully describe how to build on Windows. After some initial setup, it's >nearly identical to the mvn commands that you already use today. > >Hope this helps, >--Chris > > >On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 3:25 AM, John Gordon ><john.gor...@microsoft.com>wrote: > >> +1 (non-binding) >> >> I want to share my vote of confidence in this community. If motivated >>to >> do so, this community can keep this project cross-platform and continue >>to >> rapidly innovate without breaking a sweat. >> >> The day we started working on this, I saw the foundations of greatness >>in >> the quality and volume of dev tests, the code itself, and the Apache >>values >> themselves. >> >> 1.) Hadoop's unit tests and their frameworks are very well thought out >>and >> the consideration and energy that went into their design is worthy of >> praise. The MiniCluster abstractions utilize very few resources and put >> all the processes into one JVM for easy debugging. It is very easy to >> select specific tests from the full suite to reproduce an issue >>reported in >> another environment - like the Jenkins build server or another >> contributor's environment. >> 2.) This community has done an excellent job of incorporating >>well-placed >> log messages to make it easy to post mortem troubleshoot most failures. >> The logs are very useful, and it is extremely rare that >>troubleshooting a >> failure requires debugging a live repro. >> 3.) Hadoop is written primarily in Java, a cross-platform language that >> provides its own platform in the form of the JVM to insulate most of the >> code from the specifics of the OS layer. >> 4.) CoPDoC - The right priorities, and well stated. >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> John >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ivan Mitic [mailto:iva...@microsoft.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:32 PM >> To: mapreduce-...@hadoop.apache.org; common-...@hadoop.apache.org >> Cc: yarn-dev@hadoop.apache.org; hdfs-...@hadoop.apache.org >> Subject: RE: [Vote] Merge branch-trunk-win to trunk >> >> +1 (non-binding) >> >> I am really glad to see this happening! As people already mentioned, >>this >> has been a great engineering effort involving many people! >> >> >> Folks raised some valid concerns below and I thought it would be good to >> share my 2 cents. In my opinion, we don't have to solve all these >>problems >> right now. As we move forward with two platforms, we can start >>addressing >> one problem at a time and incrementally improve. In the first iteration, >> maintaining Hadoop on Windows could be just everyone trying to do their >> best effort (make sure Jenkins build succeeds at least). We already have >> people who are building/running trunk on Windows daily, so they would >>jump >> in and fix problems as needed (we've been doing this in branch-trunk-win >> for a while now). Although I see that the problems could arise with >> platform specific features/optimizations, I don't think these are >>frequent, >> so in most cases everything will just work. Merging the two branches >>sooner >> rather than later does seems like the right thing to do if the ultimate >> goal is to have Hadoop on both platforms. Now that the port has >>completed, >> we will have people in Microsoft (and elsewhere) wanting to contribute >> features/improvements to the trunk branch. A separate branch would just >> make things more difficult and confusing for everyone :) Hope this makes >> sense. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Todd Lipcon [mailto:t...@cloudera.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 3:43 PM >> To: common-...@hadoop.apache.org >> Cc: yarn-dev@hadoop.apache.org; hdfs-...@hadoop.apache.org; >> mapreduce-...@hadoop.apache.org >> Subject: Re: [Vote] Merge branch-trunk-win to trunk >> >> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Suresh Srinivas <sur...@hortonworks.com >> >wrote: >> >> > With that we need to decide how our precommit process looks. >> > My inclination is to wait for +1 from precommit builds on both the >> > platforms to ensure no issues are introduced. >> > Thoughts? >> > >> > 2. Feature development impact >> > Some questions have been raised about would new features need to be >> > supported on both the platforms. Yes. I do not see a reason why >> > features cannot work on both the platforms, with the exception of >> > platform specific optimizations. This what Java gives us. >> > >> > >> I'm concerned about the above. Personally, I don't have access to any >> Windows boxes with development tools, and I know nothing about >>developing >> on Windows. The only Windows I run is an 8GB VM with 1 GB RAM allocated, >> for powerpoint :) >> >> If I submit a patch and it gets -1 "tests failed" on the Windows slave, >> how am I supposed to proceed? >> >> I think a reasonable compromise would be that the tests should always >> *build* on Windows before commit, and contributors should do their best >>to >> look at the test logs for any Windows-specific failures. But, beyond >> looking at the logs, a "-1 Tests failed on windows" should not block a >> commit. >> >> Those contributors who are interested in Windows being a first-class >> platform should be responsible for watching the Windows builds and >> debugging/fixing any regressions that might be Windows-specific. >> >> I also think the KDE model that Harsh pointed out is an interesting one >>-- >> ie the idea that we would not merge windows support to trunk, but rather >> treat is as a "parallel code line" which lives in the ASF and has its >>own >> builds and releases. The windows team would periodically merge >>trunk->win >> to pick up any new changes, and do a separate test/release process. I'm >>not >> convinced this is the best idea, but worth discussion of pros and cons. >> >> -Todd >> >> >> > >> > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Eli Collins <e...@cloudera.com> >>wrote: >> > >> > > Bobby raises some good questions. A related one, since most current >> > > developers won't add Windows support for new features that are >> > > platform specific is it assumed that Windows development will either >> > > lag or will people actively work on keeping Windows up with the >> > > latest? And vice versa in case Windows support is implemented >>first. >> > > >> > > Is there a jira for resolving the outstanding TODOs in the code base >> > > (similar to HDFS-2148)? Looks like this merge doesn't introduce >> > > many which is great (just did a quick diff and grep). >> > > >> > > Thanks, >> > > Eli >> > > >> > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Robert Evans <ev...@yahoo-inc.com> >> > wrote: >> > > > After this is merged in is Windows still going to be a second >> > > > class citizen but happens to work for more than just development >> > > > or is it a fully supported platform where if something breaks it >> > > > can block a >> > > release? >> > > > How do we as a community intend to keep Windows support from >> breaking? >> > > > We don't have any Jenkins slaves to be able to run nightly tests >> > > > to validate everything still compiles/runs. This is not a blocker >> > > > for me because we often rely on individuals and groups to test >> > > > Hadoop, but I >> > do >> > > > think we need to have this discussion before we put it in. >> > > > >> > > > --Bobby >> > > > >> > > > On 2/26/13 4:55 PM, "Suresh Srinivas" <sur...@hortonworks.com> >> wrote: >> > > > >> > > >>I had posted heads up about merging branch-trunk-win to trunk on >> > > >>Feb >> > 8th. >> > > >>I >> > > >>am happy to announce that we are ready for the merge. >> > > >> >> > > >>Here is a brief recap on the highlights of the work done: >> > > >>- Command-line scripts for the Hadoop surface area >> > > >>- Mapping the HDFS permissions model to Windows >> > > >>- Abstracted and reconciled mismatches around differences in Path >> > > >>semantics in Java and Windows >> > > >>- Native Task Controller for Windows >> > > >>- Implementation of a Block Placement Policy to support cloud >> > > >>environments, more specifically Azure. >> > > >>- Implementation of Hadoop native libraries for Windows >> > > >>(compression codecs, native I/O) >> > > >>- Several reliability issues, including race-conditions, >> > > >>intermittent >> > > test >> > > >>failures, resource leaks. >> > > >>- Several new unit test cases written for the above changes >> > > >> >> > > >>Please find the details of the work in >> > > >>CHANGES.branch-trunk-win.txt - Common >> > > >>changes<http://bit.ly/Xe7Ynv>, HDFS changes< >> > http://bit.ly/13QOSo9 >> > > >, >> > > >>and YARN and MapReduce changes <http://bit.ly/128zzMt>. This is >> > > >>the >> > work >> > > >>ported from branch-1-win to a branch based on trunk. >> > > >> >> > > >>For details of the testing done, please see the thread - >> > > >>http://bit.ly/WpavJ4. Merge patch for this is available on >> > HADOOP-8562< >> > > >>https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-8562>. >> > > >> >> > > >>This was a large undertaking that involved developing code, >> > > >>testing the entire Hadoop stack, including scale tests. This is >> > > >>made possible only with the contribution from many many folks in >> > > >>the community. Following >> > people >> > > >>contributed to this work: Ivan Mitic, Chuan Liu, Ramya Sunil, >> > > >>Bikas >> > Saha, >> > > >>Kanna Karanam, John Gordon, Brandon Li, Chris Nauroth, David Lao, >> > > Sumadhur >> > > >>Reddy Bolli, Arpit Agarwal, Ahmed El Baz, Mike Liddell, Jing Zhao, >> > Thejas >> > > >>Nair, Steve Maine, Ganeshan Iyer, Raja Aluri, Giridharan Kesavan, >> > > >>Ramya Bharathi Nimmagadda, Daryn Sharp, Arun Murthy, Tsz-Wo >> > > >>Nicholas Sze, >> > > Suresh >> > > >>Srinivas and Sanjay Radia. There are many others who contributed >> > > >>as >> > well >> > > >>providing feedback and comments on numerous jiras. >> > > >> >> > > >>The vote will run for seven days and will end on March 5, 6:00PM >>PST. >> > > >> >> > > >>Regards, >> > > >>Suresh >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >>On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 6:41 PM, Mahadevan Venkatraman >> > > >><mah...@microsoft.com>wrote: >> > > >> >> > > >>> It is super exciting to look at the prospect of these changes >> > > >>>being merged to trunk. Having Windows as one of the supported >> > > >>>Hadoop platforms is >> > a >> > > >>> fantastic opportunity both for the Hadoop project and Microsoft >> > > >>>customers. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> This work began around a year back when a few of us started with >> > > >>> a >> > > basic >> > > >>> port of Hadoop on Windows. Ever since, the Hadoop team in >> > > >>> Microsoft >> > > have >> > > >>> made significant progress in the following areas: >> > > >>> (PS: Some of these items are already included in Suresh's email, >> > > >>> but including again for completeness) >> > > >>> >> > > >>> - Command-line scripts for the Hadoop surface area >> > > >>> - Mapping the HDFS permissions model to Windows >> > > >>> - Abstracted and reconciled mismatches around differences in >> > > >>> Path semantics in Java and Windows >> > > >>> - Native Task Controller for Windows >> > > >>> - Implementation of a Block Placement Policy to support cloud >> > > >>> environments, more specifically Azure. >> > > >>> - Implementation of Hadoop native libraries for Windows >> > > >>> (compression codecs, native I/O) - Several reliability issues, >> > > >>> including race-conditions, intermittent test failures, resource >> leaks. >> > > >>> - Several new unit test cases written for the above changes >> > > >>> >> > > >>> In the process, we have closely engaged with the Apache open >> > > >>> source community and have got great support and assistance from >> > > >>> the >> > community >> > > >>>in >> > > >>> terms of contributing fixes, code review comments and commits. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> In addition, the Hadoop team at Microsoft has also made good >> > > >>> progress >> > > in >> > > >>> other projects including Hive, Pig, Sqoop, Oozie, HCat and >>HBase. >> > Many >> > > >>>of >> > > >>> these changes have already been committed to the respective >> > > >>>trunks >> > with >> > > >>> help from various committers and contributors. It is great to >> > > >>> see the commitment of the community to support multiple >> > > >>> platforms, and we >> > look >> > > >>> forward to the day when a developer/customer is able to >> > > >>>successfully deploy a complete solution stack based on Apache >> > > >>>Hadoop releases. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Next Steps: >> > > >>> >> > > >>> All of the above changes are part of the Windows Azure HDInsight >> > > >>>and HDInsight Server products from Microsoft. We have >> > > >>>successfully on-boarded several internal customers and have been >> > > >>>running production workloads >> > > on >> > > >>> Windows Azure HDInsight. Our vision is to create a big data >> > > >>>platform based on Hadoop, and we are committed to helping make >> > > >>>Hadoop a world-class solution that anyone can use to solve their >> > > >>>biggest data challenges. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> As an immediate next step, we would like to have a discussion >> > > >>> around >> > > how >> > > >>> we can ensure that the quality of the mainline Hadoop branches >> > > >>>on Windows is maintained. To this end, we would like to get to >> > > >>>the state where >> > we >> > > >>>have >> > > >>> pre-checkin validation gates and nightly test runs enabled on >> > Windows. >> > > >>>If >> > > >>> you have any suggestions around this, please do send an email. >> > > >>>We >> > are >> > > >>> committed to helping sustain the long-term quality of Hadoop on >> > > >>>both Linux and Windows. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> We sincerely thank the community for their contribution and >> > > >>> support >> > so >> > > >>> far. And hope to continue having a close engagement in the >>future. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> -Microsoft HDInsight Team >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> -----Original Message----- >> > > >>> From: Suresh Srinivas [mailto:sur...@hortonworks.com] >> > > >>> Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2013 5:42 PM >> > > >>> To: common-...@hadoop.apache.org; yarn-dev@hadoop.apache.org; >> > > >>> hdfs-...@hadoop.apache.org; mapreduce-...@hadoop.apache.org >> > > >>> Subject: Heads up - merge branch-trunk-win to trunk >> > > >>> >> > > >>> The support for Hadoop on Windows was proposed in HADOOP-8079< >> > > >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-8079> almost a year >> > ago. >> > > >>>The >> > > >>> goal was to make Hadoop natively integrated, full-featured, and >> > > >>>performance and scalability tuned on Windows Server or Windows >> > > >>>Azure. >> > > >>> We are happy to announce that a lot of progress has been made in >> > > >>>this regard. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Initial work started in a feature branch, branch-1-win, based on >> > > >>>branch-1. >> > > >>> The details related to the work done in the branch can be seen >> > > >>>in CHANGES.txt< >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/hadoop/common/branches/branch-1-win/CHA >> > > NGES >> > . >> > > >>>branch-1-win.txt?view=markup >> > > >>> >. >> > > >>> This work has been ported to a branch, branch-trunk-win, based >> > > >>> on >> > > trunk. >> > > >>> Merge patch for this is available on >> > > >>> HADOOP-8562<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-8562> >> > > >>> . >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Highlights of the work done so far: >> > > >>> 1. Necessary changes in Hadoop to run natively on Windows. These >> > > changes >> > > >>> handle differences in platforms related to path names, >> > > >>>process/task management etc. >> > > >>> 2. Addition of winutils tools for managing file permissions and >> > > >>>ownership, user group mapping, hardlinks, symbolic links, chmod, >> > > >>>disk >> > utilization, >> > > >>>and >> > > >>> process/task management. >> > > >>> 3. Added cmd scripts equivalent to existing shell scripts >> > > >>>hadoop-daemon.sh, start and stop scripts. >> > > >>> 4. Addition of block placement policy implemnation to support >> > > >>>cloud enviroment, more specifically Azure. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> We are very close to wrapping up the work in branch-trunk-win >> > > >>>and getting ready for a merge. Currently the merge patch is >> > > >>>passing close to 100% >> > > of >> > > >>> unit tests on Linux. Soon I will call for a vote to merge this >> > > >>>branch into trunk. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Next steps: >> > > >>> 1. Call for vote to merge branch-trunk-win to trunk, when the >> > > >>> work completes and precommit build is clean. >> > > >>> 2. Start a discussion on adding Jenkins precommit builds on >> > > >>> windows >> > and >> > > >>> how to integrate that with the existing commit process. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Let me know if you have any questions. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Regards, >> > > >>> Suresh >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >>-- >> > > >>http://hortonworks.com/download/ >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > http://hortonworks.com/download/ >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Todd Lipcon >> Software Engineer, Cloudera >> >> >> >> >>
