SHU!! SAFA ISIZWE!! On 10/10/08, Cakwebe, Ronnie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Cde Derrick > > What is it that you want to say, com uyashwantshatha andikuva uthetha > usitya I peri-peri.Who are those comrades. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 7:35 AM > To: [email protected] > > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: [RMX:#] [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Is it > worth it to allow splinter party? > > I am also a member of NUMSA and was very much concerned about the naming > of the trade union instead of the leaders within the union as we know > leaders who appeared in other lists without the blessing of the union > and these comrades did not even had branches but were nominated to serve > the ANC and were given membership just before Polokwane. These comrades > are not assisting and bafuna ukuphumzwa, we have national coordinators > that are not intervening whereas companies are retrenching and still > going to retrench and they are just on the road show campaigning. > > Regards > > Zama Speelman > ETDP > HR: Factory Training > Continental Tyre SA (Pty) Ltd > P.O. Box 699, Port Elizabeth, 6000 > Cadle Street, New Brighton West, Port Elizabeth, 6000 > Tel: 041 406 5111 Ext. 5408 > F2E: 086 657 9399 > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Web: www.continental.co.za > > > > > > "sabelo gina" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > l.com> > To > Sent by: [email protected] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > cc > ooglegroups.com > > > Subject > [RMX:#] [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Is > > 10/09/2008 12:56 it worth it to allow splinter > > PM party? > > > > > > Please respond to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ooglegroups.com > > > > > > > > > > Mchana, I like your analysis Kagiso although I do not know if the epoch > will make any difference because people vote for manifestos that are > presented to them, I am imagining a manifesto that will be presented by > people like Terror. The new leadership of the ANC working with the > alliance is in a process of formulating the manifesto that will > acknowledge the shortfalls of Mbeki administartion and building on that > with umf to implement the better life for all. I am trying to think if > their slogan will not be " Fighting Back" like the DA once had or we are > likely to see a coalition with the DA and UDM. > > As for Mbeki, If he goes with them and his mom, he will be proving to us > that to be an intellectual does not mean that you are smart. The only > problem I have is the mention of NUMSA which I am a member of. NUMSA > will once again reaffirm the ANC as the political home of metalworkers > next week in Vanderbilpark, Emerald Casino as it meets in its 8th > National Congress. > > Amandla > > Cedric Gina. > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 12:02 PM, kagiso nkhoma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Comrade Mduduzi.. > > > > Mchana! i have to say, your imput it's what we call progressive > > introspection, because as the ANC we cannot leave any part of the > society > unattended because it might cause a damage, we need to regroup and > unite > within the organisation and as a nation. > > > > We can be positive to emerge massively during 2009 elections, but with > the > existance of a new breakaway party,it will be a bit complex, though i'd > > like to reiterate the fact the indeed the conditions in which previous > > splinter party from the ANC took place in the past were totally > different > from now. We need to work very harder than before! > > > > During PAC breakaway by Robert Sobukwe, > > > > conditions were as follow; > > > > Year: 1959 > > Reason for breakway: number of members broke away from the African > > National Congress because they objected to the ANC's non-racial > policies > and wished to take a bolder approach based more on mass action. > > Who broke away: Robert Sobukwe and other members, not merely the most > > influencial people or visionary leaders, thats why they were they are > > today. > > Democratic state?: not at all!, South Africa by then was in the process > > fighting for freedom and democracy. "democratic rights term was not > > written in the dictionaries of the white people" > > > > > > Who was the President of the ANC: Chief Albert Luthuli > > > > South Africa's Political Condition: It was during apartheid era, people > of > South Africa especially blacks by then all they wanted was unity > amongst > black people in order to fight the enemy " apartheid". ANC was united > and there were no individual Camps for leadership within the ANC that > surfaced > through the ANC structures. > > Economically: majority of our people were indeed poor and most of them > > uneducated due to restrictions to education by white led government by > > then, it was not easy for any splinter party to convince the general > > people otherways because every one had one vision. > > Targeted Market / People to rally support from: It was only from Black > > people > > Unity amongst Africans: It was one of the most viable things that > brought were we are today, so even our african brothers and sisters > knew that ANC > was the only organisation to liberate Africa, that is ANC had Camps in > > other African Countries, there were no things such as Xenophobia, > African > citizen had one view about SA, but now we even find our black african > > brothers decampaigning SA in Europe. > > > > Breakaway of UDM by Bantu Holomisa > > > > Year: 1997 > > Reason for breakway: Bantu Holomisa who was expelled from the ANC after > > accusing a top party official of corruption, therefore "misconduct" > > > > > > Who broke away: Bantu Holomisa, and few, not prominent leaders and was > > joined by National Party leader Roelf Meyer, who was view as a > reactionary > by blacks. The party had a base in one province. > > Democratic state?: Yes!, three years after 1994, South Africa by then > was > for the first time felt free or experienced democracy and it was still > > very very young. > > Who was the President of the ANC: Thabo Mbeki > > South Africa's Polictical Condition: It's just after we won 1994 first > > national democratic elections, people of South Africa especially blacks > by > then were very reluctant to change to another party, the acts of racism > > were still much strong and visible. The ANC was united and there were > no > individual Camps for leadership within the ANC that surfaced through > the > ANC structures > > Economically: The economy was not yet stable, but progressing to > stablitiy > and majority of our people were starting to go tertiary > > institutions,schools to acquire education, people started to obtain > high > profile positions in the companies and black entrepreneurs started to > > emerge strongly. it was not easy for any splinter party to convince the > > general people otherways because every one had one vision. > > > > > > Targeted Market / People to rally support from: It was mostly from > Black > people and hence Roelf Meyer was there to rally white support. > > Unity amongst Africans: it was still strong.. > > > > New party breakaway so called " 1912 ANC" > > > > > > Year: 2008 > > Reason for breakway: number of members are with the view that our > > leadership has veered the organisation away from the established policy > > priorities and customary democratic norms of the ANC. And also > recalling > of Thabo Mbeki being a major factor. Hence we believe our leadership > took > the decision in healing and uniting the ANC > > Who might brake away: Terror Lekota, Mbasima Shilowa, George Mluleki, > Esop > pahad, Thabo Mbeki?, resigned ministers, Willie Madisha? recalled > > premiers, recalled counsilors, expelled leaders on the ground level, > anti > - Malema and Jacob Zuma members,those who lost in polokwane and > Mangaung > April 2008 YL congress,NUMSA? > > Democratic state?: yes!, South Africa by now got democracy on thier > > hands, people are settling that there will be no more apartheid with " > > forward ever backward never" state of mind. now every individual has > > vested Human rights that is protected by our constitution. any > political > party now it got all racial dinominations within. > > Who was the President of the ANC: Thabo Mbeki then Kgalema Motlanthe > > South Africa's Political Condition: Every one in the country has the > > freedom of choice, no longer oppressed and Apartheid is won. ANC > > currently is not united from National level to Branch level and there > are > individual Camps for leadership within the ANC that surfaced through > the > ANC structures. with other members with the view that ANC lost the > plot. > > > > > > > Economically: Most of people in urban areas are living a better life, > > whiles majority of people in rural ereas are still struggling, but > better > than before, now with access to essential needs and services, > education. > Generally with the Commitment of the ANC to better lifes of our people, > > now majority of our people are now stable and most of them educated due > to ANC led government policies, even though some feel that new > leadership of the country is needed. South African economy is doing > better than the rest or most of African countries. is it easy for a > splinter party to convince > the general people otherways ?. > > Targeted Market / People to rally support from: all South African > people, > black, white, coloured and indian > > Unity amongst Africans: Currently some parts of Africa are not happy in > > the manner our country treats other african brothers and sisters. > > Xenophobia, being one tempering situation, African citizen had one view > > about SA, but now we even find our black african brothers decampaigning > SA > in Europe. and members of africa who gained citizendhip not happy too. > > > > Comrades indeed we need to ensure that such breakway party does not > come > to existance, through internal dialogues, discussions with the sense of > > finding each other as comrades. Because if we will continue to ignore > and leave disgruntled members unattended, it will never help the > organisation but rather destroy our beloved ANC. Some of us become very > jealous if such > tendencies persists within our ANC that our fore-fathers shed blood > for. > > > Thats my view..... i stand to be guided and corrected! > > > > I CALL FOR UNITY........! > > > > MATLA! > > > > Cde. Kagiso Nkhoma > > > > > > --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Mduduzi H Vilakazi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: Mduduzi H Vilakazi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: WHY ANC DELAYS TO DISCIPLINING AND > ACTING > AGAINST LEKOTA > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 9:45 AM > > > > The current situation is far too different from yester year. > > > > I am going to be a member of the ANC until my casket goes down, > however I > acknowledge the damage that this pseudo-defenders of democracy can > cause > to the all powerful ANC. When others left the organization, there was > no > state power, less opportunists and material benefits were not as is > > today. It is therefore simple for anyone (including the hot blooded > > members of the ANC) to venture into new things that might promise > > material gains. Even if not sustainable, it has the capacity to reduce > > votes for the ANC in the contemporary. > > > > The number of aggrieved members in Western Cape, North West and Free > > State (including Terror) and other parts of the country's citizenry > > cannot be ignored, the sacking and suspension of councillors and > mayors > in Mpumalanga, Eastern Cape and other provinces cannot be ignore, the > > number of aggrieve general masses who have not find work since 1994 > > cannot be ignored, the number of poverty stricken areas and families > > since ANC took over cannot be ignored. This situation dictates that > the > country has more vulnerable people who can venture into anything that > can > revive their hopes in life. > > > > I think that our responsibility is to counter any act by this > > pseudo-defenders of democracy. We need to decampaign Cde Terror and > them. > We should collectively speak one voice: Unity in moving forward. > Leaving > Terror and others to start a political party will not help the ANC. > Our > calls to axe Terror might not be good for now but corrective measures > > should be taken to ensure non-continuity of the establishment of the > > "new" party. We need more than two third majority which could seem > > impossible if we allow the hot-blooded members of the ANC to part ways > > with the ANC. > > > > A hands on deliberation and bilateral negotiation with the hot blooded > is > correct. I also support the ANC to utilize TM for the elections > campaign. > In any case, every member should be campaigning for the organization. > It > might calm the anger and change the attitude of many. Most are not > > fighting the ANC but sympathize with TM, a reality we cannot ignore. > > These will as well be a signal that TM is a loyal member of the ANC > and > will continue to serve the organization he dearly worked for and love. > > > > Lastly, I think that the spokesperson of the ANC should be in charge > of > media and other communications. The secretary General should be seen > as a > person who welcomes everyone. Exposing him to media where he is seen > > differing with other members of the ANC is not (in my opinion) good > for > the unifying office he occupies. 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