Cde Phil built on an important discussion
Cde Mdu, let us agree here, without any fear of condradiction, on your questions 1. Did the working class win in Polokwane?..We only got an ear of the ANC led alliance wich was later collapsed into personality cult, something we complained about in the past. 2.Were there ideological debates that have occupied the discussions in Polokwane?... For me, this is very fundamental question,.. a big NO!..It will haunt us leading up to the century of the ANC in 2012 coz moving forward it may not be possible to impose our ideological views and positions as the left, we will be told of the policy! 3. Does the ANC NEC symbolises the path to which the working class is envisaging?..Big NO..87% of the NEC members are business people, including the representatives of the leagues who sit in the NEC. Infact the number of business people in the NEC is more higher than the last NEC, suprisingly! 4.Is the program on the "road to socialism" still relevant in particular on "SACP and State Power"?.. Yes, the program on the "Road to Socialism is still very relevant, hence the need to strengthen the vigillance of the SACP, ..But a Big NO, in terms of whether the SACP "currently is positioned to run with the program. In its "current form and shape" [SACP], it will be difficult for it to be radical as we have seen in the past. The stormach politics have taken toll. Infact the left is leaderless in the form of the Party as things stand now, the sooner we bring congress earlier the better..! Nevertheless, we agree that Vavi introduced something very divisive.. Funky >>> [email protected] 06/24/09 3:20 PM >>> A very interesting debate indeed. Cde Phil et al, I have raised before that we might not have the necessary information as to what informs the early call for "second term". There might be considerations that we may not be privy to that provoked the discussion, however let me take this opportunity to attempt to broaden the debate. Did the working class win in Polokwane? Were there ideological debates that have occupied the discussions in Polokwane? Does the ANC NEC symbolises the path to which the working class is envisaging? I am convinced that the answers to these all important questions will clearly be a big NO! The only thing that the working class won in Polokwane is a political space to which the left that build on. It also won an "ear" of the ANC where the voice of the left can now be fully heard. There were no ideological debates that preoccupied the discussions in Polokwane, let alone the path to take in order to speed up the NDR in order to realize the truly non-racial, non-sexist and prosperous South Africa. Compared to the previous cabinet, there are less SACP members in cabinet now than in the previous one, there is also less percentage of women in cabinet than before. I am not being pessimistic of the future but the reality is that the left shall not find themselves locked in personalities than the real ideological struggle. I am aware that most of the SACP members who occupied government offices in the previous cabinet did not assist in paving a way for the left but were instead swallowed by the capitalist environment. However, the debate shall first be based on the program of the left as outline in the SACP document "the road to socialism" and thereafter discuss the leaders that shall assist us in moving forward with the program. There are few lessons that we can learn from the past. In 1926, ICU expelled three members of the Communist Party of South Africa and the structure subsequently collapsed. In 1930, President JT Gumede lost to President PI Seme because JT was communist who implemented communists strategies into the ANC, the ANC nearly collapsed between 1930 and 1937 during Seme's leadership. The ANCYL in 1944 were against the welcoming of the Communist Party members into the structure but could not move with their radical programme until the Communist party was banned in 1950 and most of its members participated in the ANC hence the progressive Defiance Campaign in the 1950's. The stories are many and cannot be finished. The point I am trying to make here is that the SACP has breed life to the liberation programme through the ANC and its leaders provided what the ANC lacked then - Clarity of thought, total dedication, self-sacrifice, clarity of purpose and integrity in leading the masses of our people. The question shall therefore be - Do we have that cream of the left? Why does the left believe that a revolution will need a lot of money to wage? Is the current situation showing a turn to the left? If so, who can catalyse the process? Is the program on the "road to socialism" still relevant in particular on "SACP and State Power"? I pause! Mduduzi Herman Vilakazi Internal Auditor Dept of P/Works, Roads and Transport Mpumalanga Province Tel: 013 766 8280 Cell: 083 357 4849 Fax: 086 544 3205 >>> "Philemon Lukhele" <[email protected]> 6/23/2009 11:26 AM >>> Dear Cdes I have realized that as the left we might be once again caught up in yet another succession debate; this time its seems more of when should it start and who should start it? Interestingly, COSATU and Tokyo Sexwale for whatever reasons has become proponents for what has be termed " THE SECOND TERM DISCOURSE". We who might be distance from the corridors of power might not be privy to the real essence of why the debate should start now, who should start and what should be the political essence of such a debate. Whether we agree or not, the mere introduction of this subject matter will feed well in the media sensational agenda and as society we shall be compelled to respond in various different ways. What the left view on this matter? My view is that lets debate it frankly and avoid being led by the media on this discourse. I have personally observed and unfriendly interaction on this subject matter between COSATU and the YL because of how COSATU introduces the matter. Is there a point for discussion on this matter, if there is, what are the principles? Phile From:Thami Ncokwane [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 4:42 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Floyd Shibambo; Alex Mohubetswane; Babalwa Ntabeni; Ufhatisana Cooperative; David Mayimela; Dineo Moloele; EMMANUEL MDAWU; Emmanuel Mdawu; Fannie Maseko; Fred Mokoko; Fanie Maseko; Fezile Ngqobe; Godfrey Segoahla; Hamilton; Philemon Lukhele; Jacob Khawe; Jacob Khawe; Jabu Zwane; Kenneth Siphiwe Bhoodu; Kgopotso Kwapeng; Buitumelo Kgaladi; Buitumelo Kgaladi; Nkhensani Kubayi; Lebogang Maile; Percy Mthimkhulu; Thulani Malatsi; Buti Manamela; Vuyo Mhlakaza; Jomo Jacobs; Selby Mdluli; Tebogo Makona; [email protected]; Nandipha Zonela; Fezile Ngqobe; Arthur Radebe; M T Ronyuza; Mzukisi Ronyuza; Rassy Ntlemeza (GPEDU); Reginald Marimi; Sabelo Ngwane; Sabelo Ngwane; Russel Mulamula; Shirley M; Prince Leburu; Timoti Duka; Tim Duka; Thabo Kupa; Thabo Kupa; Tsakane Mahlaule; Tsakane Mahlaule; Tshepo Mafolo; Matshidiso Mfikoe; Tshidi Mfikoe; Tankiso Fafuli; Tebogo Ezekiel Modise; Ujhbsrc; Nash Nephawe; Vasco Ndebele; Vlok; Vusi Mzobe; Vuyo (Johannesburg) Mhlakaza; Vuyo Mhlakaza; Wyne Mathiso; [email protected]; John Mnisi; Zakes Mnisi; Thamsanqa Ncokwane Subject: Invitation to join a Book Club Hi Cadres, I thought I must share this with your goodselves. We have for some time been talking amongst comrades and friends of the ANC about a need to have a book "review" club or whatever the name you think is appropriate, the gist of the matter is that we need a platform for young people to read and reflect on their understanding on what is under review. Concurrent with the issue of a book club, I would have also raised a need to have a Youth Development Forum in Soweto [in can be in any township, I stay in Soweto and that the reason) and to that effect, we also circulated a draft document written by myself, Felix and Makase (unfortunately now late). Whilst all of you were still wondering on the correctness of this Project, in Pimville we proceeded and now have Pimville Klipspruit Youth Development Forum (PKYDF), a Youth Centre (constructed through our IDP submission) and will be launching our Book Club in July - all this goes with a lot of lessons in the process and we are ready to share this with yourselves as activists who have a background in communities that needs your services and most of the time are no where to be found because you are "too busy" - on a lighter note. The issue of book collection and reading is a matter of discipline. I personally since the last time I raised this issue (2 years ago) with a number of comrades, can confirm that I have collected 31 books through exclusive books it is a compromise a one bottle of whiskey or any other drink in a month. I have not completed reading all of them I must confess but can tell you that they are very helpful as my reference material on matters that from time to time I am requested to make reflections on as an activist, more importantly as a veteran student and youth activist [for sure no one contest this view] - the sooner we start at a more coordinated and larger scale the better. Lets agree that common sense in the movement has cost us dearly and this initiative will in one way or the other help us contribute in turning the tide. We have a list of 10 books we will start with and have lined up people who will be leading presentations on dates to be agreed upon soon and will welcome any additional recommended books. I have volunteered t o present in the first book review sessions in July - A book by Moky Makura on the Best African Entrepreneurs (not its exact title) I will be giving more details in my next communique that will only go to those who will have indicated their interest on the project. Bye for now as there is work to be done - Amandla!!! Ncokwane Thami. 076 035 8999. This message and any attachments relating to official business of the Mpumalanga Provincial Government (MPG) is proprietary to the MPG and intended for the original addressee only. The message may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender. If you receive this message in error, please notify the original sender immediately and destroy the original message. 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