I just think Shaheed and his ilks in their organization are a bunch of misguided arm chair ultra leftists who exagerate the objective understanding of the material conditions at present. They seek to miguide and mislead the workers, while feeding them with the bile that his organization just vommitted though that press statement.
These kinds of activists can equally be very toxic in terms of their opinions they continue to peddle to our public discourse and hence they must be put in their rightful place. Do they think that this "minimal Democratic" intervention that the working class are leading is a result of some romanticised utopia that they are calling for? Do they think that the struggle for the total comprehensive social security plan was a result of fantasised glory from heaven? Do they think that the NHI and current skills revolution interventions were some kind of armchair rhetoric from their ilks in the libraries? No, these are the results of the intensive working class struggles in our society in advancing the NDR and correcting its tregectory as exemplified by the outcomes of Polokwane, the 2009 general elections and the current revolutionary parliamentarianism that the vangaurd movement has revived. So comrade VC, we appreciate the contributions you are making and thanks for always keeping your ear on the ground...we must hear many more conter revolutionary plots including from the now imperialist DA and its newly found twin Cope. I pause MV On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]>wrote: > Comrades, > > A word of explanation and a little bit of opinion, if I may: > > First of all, for the record, Shaheed Mahomed did not post his diatribe on > this forum. I did. I forwarded it to this forum, with a note asking for > comments. > > I got it because Shaheed Mahomed has put my address on his press-release > list. So his message actually went to the media. I wanted to show you all > what he is doing, and to see what your responses would look like. > > Thanks for the comments, comrades. > > In my opinion, we all need to jack up our understanding and our responses > to things like this. > > The reason is because in my experience, when struggle gets sharper, so also > does it become easier for people like Shaheed Mahomed, and also the > right-wing reformists that we nowadays call Social Democrats (e.g. Cope and > DA), to make up their propaganda and to catch the attention of the press. > Hence I think it is likely that we will get a lot more of this kind of > thing, as well as the DA-generated sniping that we see. > > Lenin, in “*The State and > Revolution<http://groups-beta.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum/web/the-state-and-revolution-console> > *” called these two the “anarchists” and the "opportunists”, and he said > that they are “twins”. > > In the history of communist thought, the struggle with the anarchist “left” > and the opportunist right has served to bring out some of the best and > clearest literature. One example of this is Marx’s 1847 polemic against the > anarchist Proudhon, which Lenin, again in “The State and Revolution”, calls > “the first mature work of Marxism”. > > There are many other examples. > > Looking at the responses here, today, one thing that is remarkable is that > Mpho, from outside the SACP, and Brendan, from inside, both think that if > the ANC COSATU and SACP decide something, they can just enact it. Like, if > they decide they want socialism, they can just declare it. Shaheed Mahomed > thinks so, too, and takes the next logical step to say that the ANC COSATU > and SACP must be traitors because they do not enact everything that they > want. > > Mpho, Brendan and Shaheed all think that the struggle is over but that > something is holding things up, at leadership level. They all share the same > focus on leadership and have all forgotten the masses, their condition and > the necessity for mass struggle to make change. Therefore Mpho, for example, > has given up the struggle altogether and is just waiting at the > revolutionary bus-stop, until a revolutionary bus comes along to take him > where he wants to go. > > Cde Trevor, on the other hand, thinks it is o.k. to ignore the anarchists. > Marx and Lenin did not think so. > > In my opinion we all need to sharpen up our critique and in effect, to take > advantage of the Shaheeds of this world so that we get some practice in; not > forgetting the right wing opportunists as well. As the struggle sharpens, > there will be many more of these. > > In struggle, > > VC > > > > Trevor wrote: > > Comrades, > > It is a complete waste of energy and a distraction to respond to every > criticism by Workers International, just as it is to respond to every > criticism by the DA. We have a much greater task to accomplish and that is > to plot the road to Socialism and ultimately Communism. Let us not be > distracted by these petty arguments. > > The important task right now is to fight Capital and demand the abolition of > Labour Brokers and the casualisation of Labour, and use every tool available > to us to achieve this objective. > > I just find that we waste too much energy debating and responding to petty > arguments instead of saying focused on the task at hand. > > > Kind Regards, > > Trevor Joseph > Mobile: +27 82 946 3877 > Fax: +27 86 606 2130 > Email: [email protected] > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] > On Behalf Of BrendanLee > Sent: 08 October 2009 09:08 AM > To: YCLSA Discussion Forum > Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Fwd: How the SACP betrayed the struggle > against labour brokers and casualisation of labour- 7.10.09 > > > im quite confused by the Stalinist bit, for an organisation thats > intent on attacking the alliance, they are not very good at applying > even reasonable arguments. > > what i am a bit confused about by the whole debate is that a press > statement was released saying the ANC COSATU and SACP were for the > banning of Brokers, if the ANC was then why hasn't this reflected in > policy? wwho was responsible for this shift in policy? and should they > be named and shamed if no publically then at least whitin the > organisation? > > On Oct 8, 8:10 am, sabelo gina <[email protected]> > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Comrades, > > I was in the Portfolio Committee in Cape Town when we made the submissions > to the Committee, I did not see a submission from Workers International. I > was in Germiston Civic Centre last night, I did not hear a submission > > > from > > > Worker's International and now for Shaheed Mohamed to wtrite in this > > > forum, > > > opportunistically so, and accuse the SACP for no apparent reason is > hypocrisy and it must be tolerated. WE debate in this forum and she is not > raising a debate but continue with their old campaign of vilifying the > Communist Party. > > A question that I would like to ask her, are they happy that they > > > encouraged > > > workers to spoil the votes in the Western Cape and contributed to the > blunders of some people in the ANC Western Cape to deliver the province to > DA? > > Who is the enemy of the working class, is it the SACP or the DA that they > helped to install in the Western Cape through their campaign of > > > encouraging > > > workers to spoil the votes. I am told even in the ILRIG Globalisation > School, instead of discussing opportunities that are brought by the crisis > of capitalism, they spent inordinate amount of time vilifying Cosatu and > > > the > > > SACP... what are their intentions about the unity of the working class. > > I pause, > > Cedric Gina > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Dominic Tweedie<[email protected]> > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > *Comments, anyone?* > * > * > *VC* > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Shaheed Mahomed <[email protected]> > <[email protected]> > Date: 2009/10/7 > Subject: How the SACP betrayed the struggle against labour brokers and > casualisation of labour- 7.10.09 > To: news <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > > When the SACP 'discovered' that labour brokers were a problem and that > > > it > > > was necessary to have a campaign against them, the way the campaign was > posed was deliberately to act militant for the sake of the Cosatu > > > Congress, > > > while at the same time to divert the anger of the working class from > monopoly capital and its attacks on workers. When the campaign was > > > adopted > > > at the Cosatu Congress a day of 'action' was proposed (7 Oct 2009)- > lunchtime pickets at some hearings and in some industrial areas. > > > Without the permission of monopoly capital, labour brokers would not > > > exist; > > > thus what was really necessary was a general strike to force monopoly > capital to end these slavery conditions. This was avoided and faith was > placed in the leadership of the alliance, the amabhulu omnyama of the > > > ANC to > > > legislate an end to labour broking. let's not hold our breathe to wait > > > for > > > the ANC to enforce this minimal democratic demand but let us draw the > > > lesson > > > of the counter-revolutionary role of the SACP and Cosatu leadership, who > > > in > > > the face of the world capitalist attack are now the vanguard of > > > imperialism > > > in the ranks of the working class. We cannot place a programme against > stalinism in the hands of the stalinists themselves. > > > Forward to a general strike for an emergency workers plan, calling for > > > the > > > expropriation of the banks, mines, food, clothing, transport, energy > > > sector, > > > construction, health sectors, without compensation and for them to be > > > placed > > > under workers control. > > > -- > Shaheed Mahomed > Secretary > Workers International Vanguard League > 1st Floor, Community House > 41 Salt River rd > Salt River > South Africa > 7925 > ph 0822020617 > fax [email protected] > webwww.workersinternational.org.za- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > -- Kind regards Vincent Masoga 073 513 7705 083 406 9619 facebook.com/Masoga. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to this message. 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