I never said you had lost hope, comrade. You don't have to do that - put words in other peoples mouths that they did not say, I mean. I said that you were still hoping for a revolutionary bus to come along. In fact, I said that hope was all that you had.
The National Democratic Revolution that was initiated by Great Lenin is something to respect. I don't know if you are counter-revolutionary, Mpho, (although you keep saying that you are) but I do know that you are loose and careless. I have spent a lot of time studying the meaning of the NDR lately. You can share the fruits of that study if you wish at: * http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum/web/national-democratic-revolution-console * Please don't burden us with your angst, comrade. For your information, the cure for it is action. Brendan, you said yourself that you were "confused about" "a press statement [that was] was released saying the ANC COSATU and SACP were for the banning of Brokers, if the ANC was then why hasn't this reflected in policy? wwho was responsible for this shift in policy? and should they be named and shamed if no publically then at least whitin the organisation?" You are confused, indeed. You are not able to sort out the difference between thought, communication, and action, and you wave the word "policy" around like a magician's silk handkerchief, revealing or hiding now one thing, now another. What is this word "policy" supposed to mean, exactly? What has it got to do with material, revolutionary politics? In my experience, where you find the word policy, you do find confusion. In my experience you can write everything you need to write about politics without using the word "policy". But if you then stick that word in, it is going to create confusion all over again. Use it at you peril. Better still, avoid it. VC 2009/10/8 Mpho Lebese <[email protected]> > > *Things which matter most should never be at the mercy of things which > matter least!* > > Well said Cde VC - I read a piece of work by some comerade that I think I > should share a bit of it in response to your answer to the comments > contributed. I must admit that I am a bit shocked but equally glad that you > have answered exactly as the comments were presented. > > You have indicated that I have lost hope on the fight, well I have not nor > even intend to loose it, I just need people like you to help bring back my > hope. Maybe I might have sounded contradictory, I believe that somewhere in > my statement I mentioned that maybe the SACP will someday confront > capitalism - to me that's hope. You see, freedom of expression emerges where > people, in freedom, develop love for ideas, objects of convenience, and > intermingling with people of different backgrounds, and sharing different > opinions. But in this case it seems as if if you have different opinion, you > are being perceived as counterrevolutionary. Chauvinism on the other hand is > the attitude of imposing your own understanding of things on others. > > People or workers end up resorting to strikes not according to to a > programmed historical perspectives, but according to the demands of their > own social reality. I maintain that the leadership of the people, i.e. ANC > and its allaince partners, are a betrayal to the masses. Take the NDR for > example, it is a Stalinist approach to the hardships facing the masses. the > pigs are getting fatter, in Orwell's language. Give them complete control of > our lives in exchange for perpetual empty rhetoric of the NDR or whatever > empty slogan they will think of tomorrow. O' s*^%$# t, I almost forgot - I > just sounded counter revolutionary, my apologies. But what I know is that > the NDR has been tested by different countries from as far back as three > centuries ago, it is plainly bourgeois' reform policies. > > Employing such policies, shall we be able to make use of the correctness of > our Social-Democratic doctrine, of our bond with the only thoroughly > revolutionary class, the ploretariat, to put a proletarian imprint on the > revolution, to carry the revolution to a real decisive victory, a victory > borne out of a process of bottom up deliberation and debate in which voices > from below shape outcomes - and not a top to bottom approach? (my apologies, > I am being counterrevolutionary again). Of course if one point these things > out 'you crucify the liberation under the banner of freedom of opinion. To > be a revolutionary you must keep quite even when the country rots away in a > funeral pace. > > *I WILL NOT LOOSE HOPE* > > ML > > > *" how can equal status be demonstrated so that those who have been > assigned less status historically will then experience equal status?"* > > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Dominic Tweedie < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Comrades, >> >> A word of explanation and a little bit of opinion, if I may: >> >> First of all, for the record, Shaheed Mahomed did not post his diatribe on >> this forum. I did. I forwarded it to this forum, with a note asking for >> comments. >> >> I got it because Shaheed Mahomed has put my address on his press-release >> list. So his message actually went to the media. I wanted to show you all >> what he is doing, and to see what your responses would look like. >> >> Thanks for the comments, comrades. >> >> In my opinion, we all need to jack up our understanding and our responses >> to things like this. >> >> The reason is because in my experience, when struggle gets sharper, so >> also does it become easier for people like Shaheed Mahomed, and also the >> right-wing reformists that we nowadays call Social Democrats (e.g. Cope and >> DA), to make up their propaganda and to catch the attention of the press. >> Hence I think it is likely that we will get a lot more of this kind of >> thing, as well as the DA-generated sniping that we see. >> >> Lenin, in “*The State and >> Revolution<http://groups-beta.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum/web/the-state-and-revolution-console> >> *” called these two the “anarchists” and the "opportunists”, and he said >> that they are “twins”. >> >> In the history of communist thought, the struggle with the anarchist >> “left” and the opportunist right has served to bring out some of the best >> and clearest literature. One example of this is Marx’s 1847 polemic against >> the anarchist Proudhon, which Lenin, again in “The State and Revolution”, >> calls “the first mature work of Marxism”. >> >> There are many other examples. >> >> Looking at the responses here, today, one thing that is remarkable is that >> Mpho, from outside the SACP, and Brendan, from inside, both think that if >> the ANC COSATU and SACP decide something, they can just enact it. Like, if >> they decide they want socialism, they can just declare it. Shaheed Mahomed >> thinks so, too, and takes the next logical step to say that the ANC COSATU >> and SACP must be traitors because they do not enact everything that they >> want. >> >> Mpho, Brendan and Shaheed all think that the struggle is over but that >> something is holding things up, at leadership level. They all share the same >> focus on leadership and have all forgotten the masses, their condition and >> the necessity for mass struggle to make change. Therefore Mpho, for example, >> has given up the struggle altogether and is just waiting at the >> revolutionary bus-stop, until a revolutionary bus comes along to take him >> where he wants to go. >> >> Cde Trevor, on the other hand, thinks it is o.k. to ignore the anarchists. >> Marx and Lenin did not think so. >> >> In my opinion we all need to sharpen up our critique and in effect, to >> take advantage of the Shaheeds of this world so that we get some practice >> in; not forgetting the right wing opportunists as well. As the struggle >> sharpens, there will be many more of these. >> >> In struggle, >> >> VC >> >> >> >> Trevor wrote: >> >> Comrades, >> >> It is a complete waste of energy and a distraction to respond to every >> criticism by Workers International, just as it is to respond to every >> criticism by the DA. We have a much greater task to accomplish and that is >> to plot the road to Socialism and ultimately Communism. Let us not be >> distracted by these petty arguments. >> >> The important task right now is to fight Capital and demand the abolition of >> Labour Brokers and the casualisation of Labour, and use every tool available >> to us to achieve this objective. >> >> I just find that we waste too much energy debating and responding to petty >> arguments instead of saying focused on the task at hand. >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Trevor Joseph >> Mobile: +27 82 946 3877 >> Fax: +27 86 606 2130 >> Email: [email protected] >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] >> On Behalf Of BrendanLee >> Sent: 08 October 2009 09:08 AM >> To: YCLSA Discussion Forum >> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Fwd: How the SACP betrayed the struggle >> against labour brokers and casualisation of labour- 7.10.09 >> >> >> im quite confused by the Stalinist bit, for an organisation thats >> intent on attacking the alliance, they are not very good at applying >> even reasonable arguments. >> >> what i am a bit confused about by the whole debate is that a press >> statement was released saying the ANC COSATU and SACP were for the >> banning of Brokers, if the ANC was then why hasn't this reflected in >> policy? wwho was responsible for this shift in policy? and should they >> be named and shamed if no publically then at least whitin the >> organisation? >> >> On Oct 8, 8:10 am, sabelo gina <[email protected]> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Comrades, >> >> I was in the Portfolio Committee in Cape Town when we made the submissions >> to the Committee, I did not see a submission from Workers International. I >> was in Germiston Civic Centre last night, I did not hear a submission >> >> >> from >> >> >> Worker's International and now for Shaheed Mohamed to wtrite in this >> >> >> forum, >> >> >> opportunistically so, and accuse the SACP for no apparent reason is >> hypocrisy and it must be tolerated. WE debate in this forum and she is not >> raising a debate but continue with their old campaign of vilifying the >> Communist Party. >> >> A question that I would like to ask her, are they happy that they >> >> >> encouraged >> >> >> workers to spoil the votes in the Western Cape and contributed to the >> blunders of some people in the ANC Western Cape to deliver the province to >> DA? >> >> Who is the enemy of the working class, is it the SACP or the DA that they >> helped to install in the Western Cape through their campaign of >> >> >> encouraging >> >> >> workers to spoil the votes. I am told even in the ILRIG Globalisation >> School, instead of discussing opportunities that are brought by the crisis >> of capitalism, they spent inordinate amount of time vilifying Cosatu and >> >> >> the >> >> >> SACP... what are their intentions about the unity of the working class. >> >> I pause, >> >> Cedric Gina >> >> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Dominic Tweedie<[email protected]> >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> *Comments, anyone?* >> * >> * >> *VC* >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Shaheed Mahomed <[email protected]> >> <[email protected]> >> Date: 2009/10/7 >> Subject: How the SACP betrayed the struggle against labour brokers and >> casualisation of labour- 7.10.09 >> To: news <[email protected]> <[email protected]> >> >> When the SACP 'discovered' that labour brokers were a problem and that >> >> >> it >> >> >> was necessary to have a campaign against them, the way the campaign was >> posed was deliberately to act militant for the sake of the Cosatu >> >> >> Congress, >> >> >> while at the same time to divert the anger of the working class from >> monopoly capital and its attacks on workers. When the campaign was >> >> >> adopted >> >> >> at the Cosatu Congress a day of 'action' was proposed (7 Oct 2009)- >> lunchtime pickets at some hearings and in some industrial areas. >> >> >> Without the permission of monopoly capital, labour brokers would not >> >> >> exist; >> >> >> thus what was really necessary was a general strike to force monopoly >> capital to end these slavery conditions. This was avoided and faith was >> placed in the leadership of the alliance, the amabhulu omnyama of the >> >> >> ANC to >> >> >> legislate an end to labour broking. let's not hold our breathe to wait >> >> >> for >> >> >> the ANC to enforce this minimal democratic demand but let us draw the >> >> >> lesson >> >> >> of the counter-revolutionary role of the SACP and Cosatu leadership, who >> >> >> in >> >> >> the face of the world capitalist attack are now the vanguard of >> >> >> imperialism >> >> >> in the ranks of the working class. We cannot place a programme against >> stalinism in the hands of the stalinists themselves. >> >> >> Forward to a general strike for an emergency workers plan, calling for >> >> >> the >> >> >> expropriation of the banks, mines, food, clothing, transport, energy >> >> >> sector, >> >> >> construction, health sectors, without compensation and for them to be >> >> >> placed >> >> >> under workers control. >> >> >> -- >> Shaheed Mahomed >> Secretary >> Workers International Vanguard League >> 1st Floor, Community House >> 41 Salt River rd >> Salt River >> South Africa >> 7925 >> ph 0822020617 >> fax [email protected] >> webwww.workersinternational.org.za- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >> >> >> -- Blog at: http://domza.blogspot.com/ Communist University web site at: http://amadlandawonye.wikispaces.com/ Subscribe for free e-mail updates at: http://groups.google.com/group/Communist-University/ Library of documents (CU "CD") at: http://cu.domza.net/ [email protected] --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You are subscribed. 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