Comrades, I meant "commend" Jeremy Cronin, sorry for the wrong spelling!
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Ranney Segage <[email protected]>wrote: > NB: This email and its contents are subject to the Eskom Holdings Limited > EMAIL LEGAL NOTICE > > which can be viewed at http://www.eskom.co.za/email_legalnotice > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Comrades > > Can we locate debates within a context and as I requested last year that > this forum should be used to advance theoretical debates so that it begin to > enrich our understanding in term our Marxism . I also feel very strong that > we are therefore grooming a generation of young people who are going to be > orientated into debates in wrong way such that when debating issues , they > will alway personally attack individuals and that amounts to character > assassination . Different view points have always being tolerated within our > Marxist circles , thus we need to encourage that at all times even in this > current epoch in our history . > > > > Yours for Socialism . > > > > Ranney Jomo Segage > > Credit and Revenue Management > > Tel : 013 6934158 > > Fax : 013 6934186 > > Pax : 82214158 > > Cell : 0824710085 > > > > The denial of social contradictions leads to the denial of dialectics as a > logical theory > > > > > > >>> "Scelo Gcabashe" <[email protected]> 2009/11/27 09:32 AM >>> > > NB: This email and its contents are subject to the Eskom Holdings Limited > EMAIL LEGAL NOTICE > > > > which can be viewed at http://www.eskom.co.za/email_legalnotice > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Cde Mzwandile.. your question is out of order... it can only be raised by a > Johnny late comer in political school... I am enjoying the postings in this > forum though... > > > > > > > > >>> Mzwandile Dlabazana <[email protected]> 2009/11/27 09:23 AM > >>> > > > > As a discipline member of the MDM I tend to agree with Nicholas Zwane. > > > > Currently within the movement we seem not to be having appropriate > structures to raise our issues, instant of using constitutional structures > of the movement and going back to basic that the branch is the basic unit of > the organization were organizational issues have to raised at, we tend to > use the media. > > > > > > > > We are also killing the spirit of robust engagement with the movement. > > > > There is a reactionary tendency which has developed off labeling any > comrades who seems not to be agreeing with the popular views whether wrong > or right, the cancer in our movement is the element of materialism, > comrade's comrade, factionalism, cliques and patronage. > > > > > > > > As young revolutionaries we do not have any problem with Julies or Floyd. > > > > But we have a problem with what they seem to project as popular youth > leagues views of discrediting our alliance leaders and highly disrespecting > them more especially in the media, and not using constitutional structures > within the movement. > > > > > > > > Let's intensify the call of political schools within our branches, regional > structures, provincial and national structures. > > > > Let us take the issue of cde development serious and not be mechanical > about it. > > > > Let us be clear and not ambiguous about the characters we are looking for > in a leader. > > > > > > > > Question: can we still be lead by an uneducated leader in current > conjuncture? > > > > > > > > Mzwandile Dlabazana > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Bernard Makgaka [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > Sent: 26 November 2009 08:24 PM > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Julius and Floyd Must Be Recalled Enough is > Enough > > > > > > > > I think we have lost the plot. The debate has been personalised. In > > > > fact,opportunists are usin it to expres the personal issues that they > > > > have with Majuju. To wrongs dont make a rite except if u multiply > > > > them. If people hav a serious problem with majuju,they must raise at > > > > proper structures and not wait 4 a conflict to take advantage of. When > > > > the president of ancyl intervened @ uofs for the reitz case,comrades > > > > from free state were conspicuously silent about the problems they had > > > > with his intervention,now they are sayin he sold out coz it suits > > > > them. Whats that? Its hypocrisy of the highest order. When Cde Blade > > > > Nzimande,a hero of the poor workin class, spent a million of > > > > taxpayer's money to purchase an expensive german sedan,comrades kept > > > > quiet,bt now Floyd is chastised as havin sold out. Does buyin a german > > > > sedan with your own money suggest a change of ideology? Lets tackle > > > > the issues and not the person. Lets deal with facts,and put emotions > > > > aside. Nationalisation is the issue. A re bueng. A se khulume. I > > > > remain Bernard Makgaka(Rustenburg) > > > > > > > > On 11/26/09, Kau Rasehlo <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > NB: This email and its contents are subject to the Eskom Holdings Limited > > > > > EMAIL LEGAL NOTICE > > > > > which can be viewed at http://www.eskom.co.za/email_legalnotice > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > Cde > > > > > > > > > > Let us not individualise the issues,deal with what the ANC YL is > > > > > raising.If you got a problem with Malema or Floyd you must go to ANC YL > > > > > structures and raise what ever problem you had with their life style.In > > > > > this forum we must play the ball not a man. > > > > > > > > > > Proudly YCL, ANC and Numsa member in good standing. > > > > > Kau Rasehlo > > > > > > > > > >>>> NT Zwane <[email protected]> 2009/11/26 06:06 PM >>> > > > > > Cde > > > > > > > > > > Cde Julius Malema is dividing the PYA and his verbal diarrhoea > > > > > continues to destruct comrades from focusing on what needs to be done > > > > > > > > > > by all MDM structures "i.e. to create a better life for all". South > > > > > > > > > > Africans are still waiting for "The Better Life for All" that they > > > > > were promised. Julius is forgetting that we are a non racial and non > > > > > sexist org. Calling people white messiahs is really going against > > > > > these principles that we always advocate as the MDM. Julius and his > > > > > friends the MTV Crowd (Some ANCYL NEC members, obsessed with fame and > > > > > > > > > > bling, including Floyd) must be recalled because they are not taking > > > > > us anywhere instead they continue to confuse the youth. > > > > > > > > > > Some of our branches are in institutions of higher learning where the > > > > > > > > > > majority of students are still whites. It is imperative for us as the > > > > > > > > > > PYA to convince these white students that we are pushing for a correct > > > > > > > > > > course. When we play a race card for no reason we are going to loose > > > > > these white votes and eventually fail to transform the institutions of > > > > > > > > > > higher learning. Julius grow up it is not always about race, > > > > > education sometimes enhances the way we reason and Julius you really > > > > > need to do something about your reasoning capacity. > > > > > > > > > > It is not a matter of who is correct or not, we must not compromise > > > > > > > > > > our principles for no apparent reasons. When are we going to the NGC > > > > > > > > > > of the ANCYL where Julius will be recalled, and where real and > > > > > honest leaders will emerge and help us in advancing the objectives of > > > > > > > > > > the NDR? > > > > > > > > > > Cde Floyd (ANCYL SPOKESPERSON) seems to be suffering from amnesia. > > > > > Just because now he is driving luxurious cars and drinking expensive > > > > > whisky's he is forgetting what he always preached at Wits when he was > > > > > > > > > > still an undergrad there. Floyd let us remind you, you always > > > > > criticised and even demonised the ANC and its youth league for living > > > > > > > > > > flamboyant lifestyles which is by the way what you are doing now. You > > > > > > > > > > have a nerve to criticise the YCL saying they are coming with insults > > > > > > > > > > where as you are the one who always threw insults on the Youth League > > > > > > > > > > and the 1996 Class Project. Let us be true to ourselves and stop > > > > > behaving like the MTV Crowd people who have no purpose and direction > > > > > in life. > > > > > > > > > > Floyd you must go and consult someone who will assist you to regain > > > > > your memory maybe you will start speaking sense, what you always utter > > > > > > > > > > nowadays are just sponsored views, or by the way if you don't push > > > > > their narrow and ill-informed agenda the cars will just vanish. > > > > > > > > > > Proudly ANCYL, YCL and SASCO MEMBER IN GOOD STANDING University of > > > > > Pretoria > > > > > > > > > > Nicholas Zwane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This message and attachments are subject to a disclaimer. Please refer > > > > > to www.it.up.ac.za/documentation/governance/disclaimer/ for full > > > > > details. / Hierdie boodskap en aanhangsels is aan 'n > > > > > vrywaringsklousule > > > > > onderhewig. 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