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Comrades 

I think everyone will agree with comrade Sabelo . He has provided terms of 
reference in terms of how and what we need to look at when entering into this 
debate . 

Comrade Sabelo I propose that we therefore need to structure the debate since 
you have provided terms of reference . We shall then have to identify some 
documentation on the subject matter .



Yours for Socialism      



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The denial of social contradictions leads to the denial of dialectics as a 
logical theory





>>> sabelo gina <[email protected]> 2009/11/27 10:33 AM >>>

Comrades,



I meant "commend" Jeremy Cronin, sorry for the wrong spelling!



On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Ranney Segage

<[email protected]>wrote:



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> Comrades

>

> Can we locate debates within a context and as I requested last year that

> this forum should be used to advance theoretical debates so that it begin to

> enrich our understanding in term our Marxism . I also feel very strong that

> we are therefore grooming a generation of young people who are going to be

> orientated into debates in wrong way such that when debating issues , they

> will alway personally attack individuals and that amounts to character

> assassination . Different view points have always being tolerated within our

> Marxist circles , thus we need to encourage that at all times even in this

> current epoch in our history .

>

>

>

> Yours for Socialism .

>

>

>

> Ranney  Jomo Segage

>

> Credit and Revenue Management

>

> Tel : 013 6934158

>

> Fax : 013 6934186

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> Pax : 82214158

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> Cell : 0824710085

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>

> The denial of social contradictions leads to the denial of dialectics as a

> logical theory

>

>

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>

>

> >>> "Scelo Gcabashe" <[email protected]> 2009/11/27 09:32 AM >>>

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> Cde Mzwandile.. your question is out of order... it can only be raised by a

> Johnny late comer in political school... I am enjoying the postings in this

> forum though...

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >>> Mzwandile Dlabazana <[email protected]> 2009/11/27 09:23 AM

> >>>

>

>

>

> As a discipline member of the MDM I tend to agree with Nicholas Zwane.

>

>

>

> Currently within the movement we seem not to be having appropriate

> structures to raise our issues, instant of using constitutional structures

> of the movement and going back to basic that the branch is the basic unit of

> the organization were organizational issues have to raised at, we  tend to

> use the media.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> We are also killing the spirit of robust engagement with the movement.

>

>

>

> There is a reactionary tendency which has developed off labeling any

> comrades who seems not to be agreeing with the popular views whether wrong

> or right, the cancer in our movement is the element of materialism,

> comrade's comrade, factionalism, cliques and patronage.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> As young revolutionaries we do not have any problem with Julies or Floyd.

>

>

>

> But we have a problem with what they seem to project as popular youth

> leagues views of discrediting our alliance leaders and highly disrespecting

> them more especially in the media, and not using constitutional structures

> within the movement.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Let's intensify the call of political schools within our branches, regional

> structures, provincial and national structures.

>

>

>

> Let us take the issue of cde development serious and not be mechanical

> about it.

>

>

>

> Let us be clear and not ambiguous about the characters we are looking for

> in a leader.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Question: can we still be lead by an uneducated leader in current

> conjuncture?

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>

> Mzwandile Dlabazana

>

>

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>

>

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>

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

>

>

>

> From: Bernard Makgaka [mailto:[email protected]] 

>

>

>

> Sent: 26 November 2009 08:24 PM

>

>

>

> To: [email protected] 

>

>

>

> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Julius and Floyd Must Be Recalled Enough is

> Enough

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I think we have lost the plot. The debate has been personalised. In

>

>

>

> fact,opportunists are usin it to expres the personal issues that they

>

>

>

> have with Majuju. To wrongs dont make a rite except if u multiply

>

>

>

> them. If people hav a serious problem with majuju,they must raise at

>

>

>

> proper structures and not wait 4 a conflict to take advantage of. When

>

>

>

> the president of ancyl intervened @ uofs for the reitz case,comrades

>

>

>

> from free state were conspicuously silent about the problems they had

>

>

>

> with his intervention,now they are sayin he sold out coz it suits

>

>

>

> them. Whats that? Its hypocrisy of the highest order. When Cde Blade

>

>

>

> Nzimande,a hero of the poor workin class, spent a million of

>

>

>

> taxpayer's money to purchase an expensive german sedan,comrades kept

>

>

>

> quiet,bt now Floyd is chastised as havin sold out. Does buyin a german

>

>

>

> sedan with your own money suggest a change of ideology? Lets tackle

>

>

>

> the issues and not the person. Lets deal with facts,and put emotions

>

>

>

> aside. Nationalisation is the issue. A re bueng. A se khulume. I

>

>

>

> remain Bernard Makgaka(Rustenburg)

>

>

>

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>

>

> On 11/26/09, Kau Rasehlo <[email protected]> wrote:

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> > Cde

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> >

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> > Let us not individualise the issues,deal with what the ANC YL  is

>

>

>

> > raising.If you got a problem with Malema or Floyd  you must go to ANC YL

>

>

>

> > structures and raise what ever problem you had with their life style.In

>

>

>

> > this forum we must play the ball not a man.

>

>

>

> >

>

>

>

> > Proudly YCL, ANC and Numsa member in good standing.

>

>

>

> > Kau Rasehlo

>

>

>

> >

>

>

>

> >>>> NT Zwane <[email protected]> 2009/11/26 06:06 PM >>>

>

>

>

> > Cde

>

>

>

> >

>

>

>

> > Cde Julius Malema is dividing the PYA and his verbal diarrhoea

>

>

>

> > continues to destruct comrades from focusing on what needs to be done

>

>

>

> >

>

>

>

> > by all MDM structures "i.e. to create a better life for all". South

>

>

>

> >

>

>

>

> > Africans are still waiting for "The Better Life for All" that they

>

>

>

> > were promised. Julius is forgetting that we are a non racial and non

>

>

>

> > sexist org. Calling people white messiahs is really going against

>

>

>

> > these principles that we always advocate as the MDM. Julius and his

>

>

>

> > friends the MTV Crowd (Some ANCYL NEC members, obsessed with fame and

>

>

>

> >

>

>

>

> > bling, including Floyd) must be recalled because they are not taking

>

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> > us anywhere instead they continue to confuse the youth.

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> >

>

>

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> > Some of our branches are in institutions of higher learning where the

>

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> >

>

>

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> > majority of students are still whites. It is imperative for us as the

>

>

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> >

>

>

>

> > PYA to convince these white students that we are pushing for a correct

>

>

>

> >

>

>

>

> > course. When we play a race card for no reason we are going to loose

>

>

>

> > these white votes and eventually fail to transform the institutions of

>

>

>

> >

>

>

>

> > higher learning. Julius grow up  it is not always about race,

>

>

>

> > education sometimes enhances the way we reason and Julius you really

>

>

>

> > need to do something about your reasoning capacity.

>

>

>

> >

>

>

>

> >   It is not a matter of who is correct or not, we must not compromise

>

>

>

> >

>

>

>

> > our principles for no apparent reasons.  When are we going to the NGC

>

>

>

> >

>

>

>

> > of the ANCYL where Julius will be recalled, and where   real and

>

>

>

> > honest leaders will emerge and help us in advancing the objectives of

>

>

>

> >

>

>

>

> > the NDR?

>

>

>

> >

>

>

>

> > Cde Floyd (ANCYL SPOKESPERSON) seems to be suffering from amnesia.

>

>

>

> > Just because now he is driving luxurious cars and drinking expensive

>

>

>

> > whisky's he is forgetting what he always preached at Wits when he was

>

>

>

> >

>

>

>

> > still an undergrad there. Floyd let us remind you, you always

>

>

>

> > criticised and even demonised the ANC and its youth league for living

>

>

>

> >

>

>

>

> > flamboyant lifestyles which is by the way what you are doing now. You

>

>

>

> >

>

>

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> > have a nerve to criticise the YCL saying they are coming with insults

>

>

>

> >

>

>

>

> > where as you are the one who always threw insults on the Youth League

>

>

>

> >

>

>

>

> > and the 1996 Class Project. Let us be true to ourselves and stop

>

>

>

> > behaving like the MTV Crowd people who have no purpose and direction

>

>

>

> > in life.

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>

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> >

>

>

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> > Floyd you must go and consult someone who will assist you to regain

>

>

>

> > your memory maybe you will start speaking sense, what you always utter

>

>

>

> >

>

>

>

> > nowadays are just sponsored views, or by the way if you don't push

>

>

>

> > their narrow and ill-informed agenda the cars will just vanish.

>

>

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> >

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>

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> > Proudly ANCYL, YCL and SASCO MEMBER IN GOOD STANDING University of

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> > Pretoria

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> >

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> > Nicholas Zwane

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