Comrade Cabral always moved from the premise that we must, “tell no lies, and 
claim no easy victories” and I think that is just but one thing that our 
‘Stranger’ (Nqaba Bhanga) can learn from this fearless revolutionary. In 
response to the bile that he posted here, I must admit that it would be a 
difficult exercise to talk to the issues that are raise by Nqaba without 
talking to him as an individual, who is a  COPE member, but I will try. Marxism 
has taught us well that there is no one who can raise issues impartially 
without representing and or defending his or her own class interests and we for 
sure know the class interest that Nqaba is representing. 
Upon reading the post, it becomes apparent that despite his years in the 
movement Nqaba did not in anyway grasp the essence of the revolutionary 
alliance, if that is not so, he is clearly suffering from historical amnesia 
and the tragic accident that caused that is known to all of us.   
Our alliance is premised on the realisation of the Freedom Charter objectives, 
which the ANC/ ANC YL views as ultimate objective whilst the SACP/YCL, 
including COSATU views them as minimum goals towards the realisation of the 
ultimate objective, which is socialism. Failure to grasp this can be remedied 
with political education. Equally so, knowing this whilst intentionally 
distorting it is tantamount to political thuggery. 
Yes indeed the YCL is a youth wing of the SACP, but due to the nature of the 
alliance the YCL has the same interest in the direction the ANC takes because 
that direction is part of the realisation of its ultimate objectives. What 
Nqaba seems to suggest is that there was no reason for the alliance in the 
first place and that the alliance was just a mere unity of convenience. This is 
a clear historical distortion and similar to Nqaba, people who have held this 
view have either being expelled by the movement or left on their own. Turning 
the ANC into a narrow nationalist movement is a horrendous mistake to ever make 
and Cde Mbeki for sure knows that. 
Nqaba wrongly asserts, “The Polokwane Development missed a every (very) 
important point, defining a tactical relationship and strategic relationship.” 
This is wrong in that Polokwane adopted the Strategy and Tactics document that 
explains the nature of our struggle, more especially on how that struggle 
should be waged. It can be said that the Strategy and Tactics document is not a 
document of the alliance but of the ANC but it has clear linkages to the party 
programme, “South African Road to Socialism.” A person who cannot see this is 
either a narrow nationalist or an anti-communist; we can forgive those that did 
not give themselves enough time to read these documents. 
Nqaba fails to assert that the main problem here is between those who want to 
use the movement for personal enrichment and those that view this as a 
compromise on the programme and therefore intolerable. It is not a clear 
conflict between petty bourgeoisie/nationalist and communist, as many 
nationalist disagree with this ‘new tendency’. 
 Yes indeed the divergent opinions from the YCL and ANC YL leaders must not be 
individualised, but they should be located within the broad scope of those who 
want to abuse state power and benefit from tenders (some nationalist) and those 
who believe that some of these acts are refocusing us from our strategic 
mission (communist, but not all of them). 
The battle is indeed ideological, but not in the narrow terms as Nqaba puts it, 
but because of those who disagreed with the 1996 class project not only because 
they were contra to its state looting and corrupt agenda, but only because they 
were not part of the abusing inner core and they therefore thought Polokwane 
brings the opportunity for looting, communist such as Gwede, Buti, Blade and 
others therefore become obstacles to this agenda, hence the rise of narrow 
nationalism and anti-communism. It’s similar to tribalism. Lest we forget that 
the ANC was formed to unite the people of South Africa. 
Tell no lies Luzuko Buku 
YCL Chairperson, Rhodes University 
ANC Rodgers Faltein
0786172286
www.lbuku.blogspot.com 


"The state is the product and manifestation of the irreconcilability of class 
antagonisms..."State and Revolution, Lenin (1917) 




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From: "Ndlazilwana, Lazola" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Fri, November 27, 2009 12:38:56 PM
Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion] An Old Stranger in the Mist (Julius/ Manamela

Comrade Nqaba though you are an outsider or be a COPE member but on
really terms he is spot on and comrades you should know and understand
the nature and character of the ANCYL which currently lead by Julius
Malema.Coming to the issue of Allliance of convenience comrade Nqaba I
find contradictions on your input,chief you are saying you were the
mover of the adoption of the re-launch of the Ycl but now you are saying
you have told comrade Mbaks and Bhuti that this is an alliance of
convenience so my leader may you please clarify what were you moving on
the Rustenburg Conference.Secondly as you spot on as you are but my
leader you as you have grown and developed in this movement and alliance
so since when the tripartite alliance be an alliance of convenience?

Hope you are on your way back home chief

Lazola Ndlazilwana
VWSA Numsa Deputy Secretary
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From: Nqaba Bhanga [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 11:44 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] An Old Stranger in the Mist (Julius/
Manamela

An Old stranger in the Mist (Topic Julius and Buti recent debates)

Firstly, I have long subscribed in this Forum, as a product of the
struggle for the liberation of our People , Im proud to say in the
Rustenburg Party Conference that discussed some of the issues raised by
many People. I attended it and I was one of the strongest movers of the
adoption of the re-launch of the Young communist League with Masondo,
Makuku many other Comrades and I believe I was the Last speaking on the
Subject representing on behalf of the Eastern Cape on Plenary. I believe
the video archives can testify to this development that cannot be
erased. Because this is history made. Iam raising this because history
is being distorted by many and history of these organisations is not
told correctly. I have been refusing to comment on the forum because Iam
an outsider. However I feel obliged to clarify other things.

The ANCYL has been my home for the Best part of my Political Development
, the current debate of the Yl and YCL can be traced in the
Organizational report of the 2004 Nasrec Conference by Comrade Fikile
Mbalula . This discussion appears clearly on the Response of the Youth
league on the Cosatu anti privatization strike then. If You read this
discussion you will understand this dichotomy.

Many of the New comers may wonder what is happening, and are asking
question such as has there been a Relationship in these structure ever
since the 1994 Democratic Breakthrough and what kind of a relationship,
or have they been engage in a relation of convenience, this is what i
said to Both Cde Manamela and Mbalula that their alliance in 2005  was
an alliance of Convenience and was not based on any ideological and
principled basis.

The Polokwane Development missed a every important point, defining a
tactical relationship and strategic relationship. Now the true Colours
of what distinguish this important dialectical component and successful
relationship are beginning to show. The phase of evaluating the point of
convergence has arrived for the Polokwane forces and People are
beginning to ask important questions, amongst those questions, like the
important question of responsibilities on who suppose to do what in this
relationship.

The Debate is not a Julius or Manamela Issue this is a long difficult
discussion since the beginning of this revolutionary alliance, People
who do not understand the basis of this revolutionary alliance Continue
to confuse the Roles, functions one structure against the other,mostly
because of state and power.

Your Current Problem is not the two individuals, your Problem is deeper
that two: What are these confused roles since the victory the*
revolutionary victory* in Polokwane.


*What should been defining a revolutionary national liberation alliance
is not personalities is the Political programe that serves as a moral
campus of our struggle against the oppression of the majority of our
People *Govan Mbeki*.
I must firstly say some of us we were so fortunate to spend a bit of
Time with the Giants of our liberation, Like Raymond Mhlaba and Govan
Mbeki, Sicelo Kani, Oom Sayi Mthongana, Communist Veteran Makalima and
Benson Fihla , Believe me or not we still learning from their
revolutionary action until today.

What was supposed to be the defining Task of these allies? 

The definition of this relationship has always be the strategic
objectives of the NDR, the uplifment of the quality of life of all South
Africans especially the majority of whom are poor and female. Key to
this Programe is the working class that has a Task to win the
ideological confidence of all the Social Sectors to win the hegemony of
society, a Principle working class victory is not imposed or it will be
short leaved.  What is basically lacking to the Debates raised by Cde
Malema and Manamela? Is to understand the Task of their organisations
respectively. 

What was the Task of the Youth league I use to lead?

The Youth League of the party of the liberation must Champion the
Interest of the Youth in the ANC and society and contribute towards the
organisational vibrancy and youthful Political Debates in the movement
and seek to provide abridge between the present generation of youth and
older generation. The Recent Malema articulate on of the protection of
the legacy of the ANC are well placed and that must not be confused with
changing allegiances, Malema and Floyd are doing exactly the Task
assigned to them by the Constitution of the ANC.

Whether People Like it or not Thabo Mbeki was the President of the ANC,
You sleep but you wake up Thabo Mbeki is Still the Former President of
the ANC you cant re-write history. Cde Terror Lekota is part of the
legacy of the ANC, Robert Sobukwe and many more.  The Youth League is
correct to protect its legacy, because the is no communist league
assigned to defend the Legacy of the ANC. Because they are not the
league of the ANC, they are the league of the Party. The Youth League is
the Sole future of the ANC, and it does not share that responsibility
with the young communist league.This New left is a left of the moment ,
therefore Julius Malema is correct the Party must focus in building its
structure and entrenching the Political Base of its members in
preparation of a socialist Society .



The ANC Youth derive its character form that of the ANC multi Class in
character. Therefore the Youth league is neither a Communist
organisation nor a capitalist organisation. It is not counter
revolutionary to liberal, Social Democrat or Communist in the ANC. 

The Young Communist League

The Party has a vanguard role in the NDR; the responsibility is to build
the ideological confidence of the working class Youth in society not
only in the ANC. The Resolution of the Party Rustenburg Conference was
that we have to mobilise all socialist in South behind the Banner of the
Communist Party, eg Azapo , PAC , SAPO, later I think COPE if the party
is truly an international party. The Task the task therefore of the
Party is not to an agent of the ANC but a vanguard of those who do not
own means of production. The Challenge with the Young Communists League
is that its intention is to replace the Youth of a Nationalist party by
abdicating its responsibility for socialism. What might be enticing the
Youth of the Communist the answer is simple: opportunities of Transition
and Frantz Fanon elaborate on this on the Pitfalls of National
Consciousness. The more the Communists entrench themselves the more they
relax on their demands for the realization of a Socialist Society.

The after Polokwane has presented growth in the Party membership, part
of this is not conscious members but members of convenience because
everybody wants to look left but walk right. In the Mbeki Era People
were very scared in wearing the Party T*-shirts and today it is
dominant. Most of these People have no idea of what learning communist
is suppose to understand. They have not been inducted to the philosophy
of the left but they are just communist for today.


Future Possibilities

Is the Battle between Manamela and Malema: No a big No, this battle is
an ideological battle and it is a UN reconcilable battle because this
represents the contradiction of Classes. Because with Polokwane the Left
felt in control of the state and Communist are occupying strategic
responsibilities and many are becoming comfortable with the state. The
nationalist, traditionalist ANC Cadre are being sidelined to the Cold.
Many nationalist inside and outside have hope in the articulations of
Malema as a possible Messiah to save the ANC from an unprincipled lumpen
proletariat that is disguised as  the representatives of the of the
progressive left. These forces belief in the re-alignment of the outside
forces to defend the ANC from who the Communist.

The Communist believe that the Progressive left must assert it self and
eliminate any forces of dome, this has been shown by the recent defeat
of the traditionalist ANC candidates whether in the state or in the
organisation.
Julius Malema must be listened at he might seeing another development of
the re-alignment of forces in the near future.Iam 100% behind the views
expressed by Malema he is on the correct path .

I think people must not undermine Julius he is an organic Cadre of the
Movement, he was schooled in the Cosas Politics, and we know he come
after our generation in Cosas. We grommed him for battles ahead, He
served as President of Cosas, Deputy Mthetheleli Mfana all rounder this
fellows are a proud of different generations of Cosas  ,Songezo Mjongile
,Tshilidzi Ratshitanga Maile,Phumezo lawana,Xolani* Pizza* Sifali , JJ
Tyalisusi and Julius Malema.This is a generation we worked with in
Difficult times of Operation Barcelona.

Please do not question his credentials we know him, this is the son of
the struggle history cannot be rewritten

I view from Outsider, entering a no go area

Please I need People who are not going to talk to Nqaba But to the
issues Nqaba is Raising

Nqaba Bhanga
A learning Revolutionary 










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