I think comrades people who don't have something to say, which is constructive to the forum should refrain from participating. Like Comrade Luzuko, you are making this forum a platform to attack people personally and I'm sure it is not the intention of this forum but rather to engage in issues affecting us and the nation. Comrade VC is there no way to first screen inputs of the comrades to the forum as I think some are abusing the forum to vent their disappointments, anger and personal attacks?
Dumisani Tuis- Court Manager Department of Justice & Constitutional Development- Victoria West Office Tel: +2753-6210007 Fax: 0865070204 Cell: +27736430439 "The possibility that we may fail in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just"- Abraham Lincoln ________________________________ From: Luzuko Buku [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 6:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] An Old Stranger in the Mist (Julius/ Manamela In my last contribution I was accused of not reading the post properly and since I am still undergoing political education I re-read the bile twice and I must say that comrades( Ndura Gceba and Derrick Speelman) have missed the point that our 'Stranger' (Nqaba Bhanga) is trying to make with this venomous contribution to this forum or maybe it is me who missed the whole story. When Nqaba says, "Julius Malema must be listened at (as) he might (be) seeing another development of the re-alignment of forces in the near future. I am 100% behind the views expressed by Malema, he is on the correct path," I don't think this necessarily means he is interested in returning to the National Liberation Movement. What he means is that if communist can be dislodged there are "Future Possibilities" for "re-alignment of forces". This is anti-communism of the worst kind and as I said in my last contribution, like Nqaba, people who have held these views have either been expelled by the organisation or they left on their own. I don't see anything suggested in the article other than the fact that if the ANC can be turned in a narrow nationalist political party rather than a broad liberation movement, there are "future possibilities" of realignment of forces. In addition if the name of the former ANC president, cde.Thabo Mbeki, did not feature in the engagements, Nqaba would have never been interested in the debate(s). To us he will remain an urgent of capitalism, with no political understanding beyond defending the former President of the Republic. Revolutionary Regards SASCO FOR SOCIALISM! Luzuko Buku YCL Chairperson, Rhodes University ANC Rodgers Faltein 0786172286 www.lbuku.blogspot.com "The state is the product and manifestation of the irreconcilability of class antagonisms..."State and Revolution, Lenin (1917) ________________________________ From: Nqaba Bhanga <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, November 30, 2009 8:35:27 AM Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion] An Old Stranger in the Mist (Julius/ Manamela Haa Haa Ndura, Focus to the Discussion >>> Derrick Speelman <[email protected]> 2009/11/28 04:52 PM >>> Mntakwetu buyela ekhaya amaqhawe awa oo Claude, ooZama De Vos icango lizakude livalwe ----- Original Message ----- From: Nduluka Gceba <[email protected]> Sent: 28 November 2009 09:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] An Old Stranger in the Mist (Julius/ Manamela Its intereating how Mr Nqaba Bhanga behaves, sometime 2008 after Julius was elected as Presidant, the other behevour of Mr Bhanga... There are no permanent enemies or friends in society. Although sometimes is not good to assume, but l believe Mr Bhanga is failing to manage his leader Ms Anele Mda & Mr Booi in COPE Yos Movement, now he opted to discuss the PYA Politics. Anyway l observe your behavour of late is changing hanyana, its better for u to come back to our movement but u'll seat there as someone is not trusted political so. I remember during your days in the Party of Kotane, Slovo, Hani & Nzimande, equally l'm aware that you don't get space to engage under Ms Mda. Plz come back home Kweding but the Ant-Communist tendence does'nt work unless u want to go to political dust beam. ''A better world is possible under Socialism'' Yours in the defence... Ndura Gceba Eastern Cape -original message- Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] An Old Stranger in the Mist (Julius/ Manamela From: "Nqaba Bhanga" <[email protected]> Date: 27/11/2009 15:27 I think Chief you, have just browsed the input please read it once more ,bcz the Revolutionary alliance is defined different from ,personal relations between Buti /Manamela.I then refer to the 2005 as Alliance (Buti/Manamela an alliance of convenience (meaning allies). leader selective read is very dangerous .Because leader when you angry do not just for the Pen you might regret .History cannot be erased, accept it or ask those who know or chose to leave with distorted history.Labeling People does not change their consciousness as a Marxist -Leninist i dont need any body barometer to measure must commitment to the ideals of Marx > Is the Battle between Manamela and Malema: No a big No, this battle is an ideological battle and it is a UN reconcilable battle because this represents the contradiction of Classes. Because with Polokwane the Left felt in control of the state and Communist are occupying strategic responsibilities and many are becoming comfortable with the state. The nationalist, traditionalist ANC Cadre are being sidelined to the Cold. Many nationalist inside and outside have hope in the articulations of Malema as a possible Messiah to save the ANC from an unprincipled lumpen proletariat that is disguised as the representatives of the of the progressive left. These forces belief in the re-alignment of the outside forces to defend the ANC from who the Communist. The Communist believe that the Progressive left must assert it self and eliminate any forces of dome, this has been shown by the recent defeat of the traditionalist ANC candidates whether in the state or in the organisation. Julius Malema must be listened at he might seeing another development of the re-alignment of forces in the near future.Iam 100% behind the views expressed by Malema he is on the correct path . I think people must not undermine Julius he is an organic Cadre of the Movement, he was schooled in the Cosas Politics, and we know he come after our generation in Cosas. We grommed him for battles ahead, He served as President of Cosas, Deputy Mthetheleli Mfana all rounder this fellows are a proud of different generations of Cosas ,Songezo Mjongile ,Tshilidzi Ratshitanga Maile,Phumezo lawana,Xolani* Pizza* Sifali , JJ Tyalisusi and Julius Malema.This is a generation we worked with in Difficult times of Operation Barcelona. Please do not question his credentials we know him, this is the son of the struggle history cannot be rewritten I view from Outsider, entering a no go area Please I need People who are not going to talk to Nqaba But to the issues Nqaba is Raising Nqaba Bhanga A learning Revolutionary Disclaimer Before acting on the contents of this e-mail, the recipient should verify that the originator has the appropriate authority and any person neglecting to obtain such verification will be acting entirely at his/her own risk. Please further note that any confidential, private or privileged information contained in the message is subject to legal privilege. -- You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to this message. You can visit the group WEB SITE at http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery options, pages, files and membership. To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected] . 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