Cadre Tsembeyi the discussion has just begun. I want to congratulate the cadre that has finally realized the core purpose of us being in this forum. That particular purpose is common might I say and that is to discuss issues that will conscientize people to strengthen the YCL and the alliance at large.
It has not been long when comrades were verbally assassinated and insulted within this forum due to a lack of political education and tolerance. The questions detailed in the document tabled before us are indeed key. Before one starts to say he/she is a cadre, they must know what their movement stands for. *We must not let reactionaries dominate this forum with verbal abuse but this should be a home to revolutionaries who giraffe with robust debates on issues that affect our country and its citizens. We must be able to discuss anything without being terrorized or intimidated by anyone.* T*hose that deprive other cadres of discussing issues through intimidation and threats should know that they have no space within our movement as they are tearing up the freedom charter by their actions!!!! * I noted with joy when the cadre distinguished the kinds of comrades we have within the alliance. The cadre of numbers is what is causing havoc within the ANC and the alliance. We must get rid of such embissalls as they are worthless within this movement. These are the type which will kill our alliance. I believe that it is crucial for all of us within the alliance regardless to which organization you are affiliated to, to know the role of the party within the communities in order for you as a member to know yours. How can you reach your destination if you do not know the directions? Cdes, let me crocodile... Cadre Gen. Shonalanga (KZN) On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Sithembewena tsembeyi <[email protected]>wrote: > Well comrades I might have cought the discussion at the end, but however > the relevent perpose to us is to aply analysis on the matter so that it > should have idiological content but trough my observation we are all > discussing this matter without considering diological points and this cant > be it from a communist forum. > > --- On *Wed, 2/17/10, [email protected] <[email protected] > >* wrote: > > > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Discussion Document on restoring the Role > of the ANCYL in our communities!!! > To: [email protected] > Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 7:24 AM > > > > Cdes, > > > > I like Sabelo think that we are taking this matter far. Yes education is > > needed and that cannot be a panacea to the problems facing the youth. You > > see capacity building does not talk to formal education only. However we > > must encourage our members to pursue the Back to School Campaign to arm > > ourselves with the necessary agility to confront the enemy but also to be > > able to read the environment that requires exposure to global forces that > > we seeks to interact with. I must say true to the course that this si a > > good start Tshepo and we should take it as an input that begin to do what > > we could call Self-criticism. > > > > The bottom line Tshepo is that most youth and by translations our members > > in Townships are highly unemployed and the excuse is that they are not > > educated and hence I accept that the paper exposes the weaknesses in our > > movements to organise youth into Cooperatives and other forms of > Community > > driven Projects that seeks to empower the very same youth. > > > > Having said so, cde Tshepo, it will be wrong for us to want to have a > > uniform approach to our different Zones and Branches, take an example of > > Stanza Bopape and Mahlambandlopfu. The 1st is township based with its own > > problems including the very same issue of education. The 2nd has its > > unique challenges and education is not a challenge as in Stanza. To > > Mahlambandlopfu is the support mechanism, as most youth are Tertiary > based > > or young workers. Therefore we will input on your paper to enrich it for > > further engagement maybe as we move towards the Regional Conference in > > Tshwane. > > > > I will forward my input by latest weekend. Once more thanks for the > input. > > > > Cdely, > > > > Tom Mutshidza > > > >>>> Lwandiso Matoti > >>>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc635.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> > 2010/02/17 01:47 PM >>> > > cde sebata, > > > > I have to say that your document is good. It has a lot of use full > > information. I for have been asking the myself the same question. > > > > On educated leaders i think that it would be unfair to base leadership on > > a > > certificate. I do not think leadership is necessarily dependent on one's > > level of education. I however somewhat understand where this comes from. > > What I would suggest is that we should encourage people to broaden their > > knowledge at all time when possible. I think we should encourage those > who > > do not have metric certificates to get them and those who have to further > > their studies. > > > > I am hoping that our leaders in branches, regional and national will look > > at > > this document and they will not take it as criticism. But as a very good > > suggestion and a way forward. > > > > Another thing that i feel needs to be looked at is the visibility of > these > > branches. It is a mission to get a ANCYL branch. Tshepo, which branch are > > you in? > > > > I am looking forward to hearing what the masses have to say. > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:52 PM, sabelo gina > > <[email protected]<http://us.mc635.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > >> For your first document, you did well. I think it can be problematic to > >> put > >> a matric certificate for leadership of the ANCYL or any other formation. > >> When I joined the factory as a worker, I was groomed on issues of > >> leadership > >> by people who had learned leadership skills under the tree in community > >> meetings and I still use some of those lessons today. > >> > >> Have you ever asked yourselves a question why there are two kinds of > >> intellectuals, organic intellectuals and otherwise! > >> > >> > >> On 2/17/10, > >> [email protected]<http://us.mc635.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > >> <[email protected]<http://us.mc635.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Comrades!!!! > >>> > >>> Please feel free to advice, engage and to add or rectify the context, > >>> content, language and facts that reflects in this document. > >>> > >>> Comrades my appeal is one that its my first document, i think i can use > >>> more constructive critisism. > >>> > >>> Amandla!!! > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> South Africa's premier free email service - www.webmail.co.za > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> For super low premiums, click here http://home.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm > >>> > >>> -- > >>> You are subscribed. 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To > mention few, we have foot soldiers, Strategists and the Technocrats who > must assist on the ongoing of the revolution and that by its nature is > education. > > We also have got the informal education that informs the formal education > at it action and that on its own is based on understanding the material > condition on the ground and be able to transform the society, that does > not seek any grade in terms of knowledge. The knowledge of the > bookwormarist had always arrived to compatriots been distorted hence there > is always the battles of understanding with most of the bookwormarist. > > Also that does not mean that we must disregard the knowledge we find from > formal education because the transformation of the society we are living > within require is to become researchers of our own conditions as to where > would we want to reach with letting our community acknowledge its own role > to the kind of the state we want to leave in, that need leadership and > correct political direction. > > What can bring about quality of leadership in my view I think is the > combination of the available categories that makes quality leadership and > that can equally be attained with or without any requirements in a form of > grade or standard. I think it always needs individuals to become > courageous and committed to the course of the revolution. > > In any way comrade Sabelo you have a very genuine point in this discussion > paper and I also want to indicate that maybe sometimes lets avail > ourselves to our communities to teach our members about what is a leader > with reference to the old teachings such as those outlined in Lenin " What > is to be done" in my view I think it is going to assist most of our > comrades. > > Thank my leader > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > South Africa's premier free email service - www.webmail.co.za > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > For super low premiums, click here http://home.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm > > -- > You are subscribed. 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