Cde, Go on make my day if they torment you...they are fire...consuming fire...its natural for you to ask for that...
Xoli On 2/18/10, Thabang Ngcozela <[email protected]> wrote: > > > don't waste your time on this cdes, just deleate his e-mails. > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:08:27 +0200 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: : [YCLSA Discussion] DEPLOYMENT FROM HEAVEN > > > > > certainly, I was wishing well to her or him and her or his god, as I pointed > out several times I see no reason and no point in continuing to receive > religious propaganda, since I am not religious, and neither ask nor require > any religious instructions from such people. > Sincerely > > > ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| > ξε ν’, γγέλλειν Λακεδαιμονίοις ἀ ὅτι τ δε > κείμεθα, το ς κείνων ῥήμασι πειθόμενοι. > /begin/read__>sig.file: postal address > palma > University of KwaZulu-Natal Philosophy > 3rd floor of Memorial Tower Building > Howard College Campus > Durban 4041 > South Africa > Tel off: [+27] 031 2601591 (sec: Mrs. Yolanda Hordyk) [+27] 031-2602292 > Fax [+27] 031-2603031 > mobile 07 62 36 23 91 calling from overseas +[27] 76 2362391 > EMAIL: [email protected] > EMAIL: [email protected] > MY OFFICE # IS 2...@mtb > *only when in Europe*: inst. 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If you > received this e-mail in error please destroy the original and notify the > sender. > >>>> Sithembewena tsembeyi <[email protected]> 2/18/2010 1:48 PM >>> > > > Kucacile mhlekazi umfundisi wenza kangangoko ukusi-convincer kulebotyo yobbu > krestu, engazimisele ukuphuma kuyo singazange sonke makomanisi siguqukele > kobububhanxa bungatshonto, inceba yile yokuba yena sele ezelwe ngokutsha, > ukuba bendingesabi ukuthukisa kunina bendizakubuza simosini esi azelwengaso > ngokutsha. > > Inene kungakuthi ukuba sihlala siphendulana nobubuvovo buka Xoli, ocace ngca > ukuba ukwakhe kukuhambisa "ilizwi Lenkosi" kuzo zonke inkalo zalomhlaba, > kwaye uzithsolo yena ukuba uzakuya e-Cuba ayekuyothandaza, mmna ndiyazi > ukuba abalindele buvovo bomthandazo ka-Xoli, igxaki kukuba thina indima > yethu kukuzimanya nomzabalazo wabantu bakuthi, silwele abompomfu, abasebenzi > kanye no calucalulo. > > Mmna ndingethanda ukuba uXoli achaze kangconwana indima yobukrestu > kumzabalazo sele uthsiwo ngaphezulu, ndinga phinda futhi ndithande ukwazi > namayelana nenkolo zikantu azifumanela zilulolo kulenkolo yobu krestu, eyam > imbono kukuba uXoli lilolo elidinga umsebenzi nezinto ezingcono angazithetha > apha. > > > > > > From: Adriano Palma <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thu, February 18, 2010 1:11:33 PM > Subject: Re: FW: Re: FW: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] DEPLOYMENT FROM HEAVEN > > > You are once again kindly asked to refrain from posting "christian" > idiocies-- > Thank you for your attention. > > ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| > ξε ν’, γγέλλειν Λακεδαιμονίοις ἀ ὅτι τ δε > κείμεθα, το ς κείνων ῥήμασι πειθόμενοι. > /begin/read__>sig.file: postal address > palma > University of KwaZulu-Natal Philosophy > 3rd floor of Memorial Tower Building > Howard College Campus > Durban 4041 > South Africa > Tel off: [+27] 031 2601591 (sec: Mrs. Yolanda Hordyk) [+27] 031-2602292 > Fax [+27] 031-2603031 > mobile 07 62 36 23 91 calling from overseas +[27] 76 2362391 > EMAIL: [email protected] > EMAIL: [email protected] > MY OFFICE # IS 2...@mtb > *only when in Europe*: inst. 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If you > received this e-mail in error please destroy the original and notify the > sender. > >>>> Xoli Dlabantu <[email protected]> 2/18/2010 10:26 AM >>> > Cde, > Firstly let me applaud you on the selective manner you chose your > verses so as to advance your world views on the subject...admittedly > i'm impressed at the way many people, both from the christian fold as > well as the non christian fold have really missed the plot on the > existence of christianity....its essence..on what it seeks to > achieve.... > > > 1. Christianity is a way of life, a lifestyle that seeks to complete > the incompleteness of nature...it seeks to address its > shortfalls..starting with a human being as a custodian of nature. > 2. It is of the view that is an independent triune being..the > body...the soul...and the spirit... > a) the body is all your senses and the physical make-up...all that can > be touched and seen in a human being... > b) the soul is your mind, your intellect and your freewill...the mind > has the conscious mind, the semi conscious mind as well as the > unconsciuos mind. > c)your spirit is your conscience...your desire to worship..whether you > are an atheist or beliver...it is the part that is used by DEVIL > WORSHIPERS..or SATANISTS who are at a higher level of servitude in > the dark world...through what is called SPIRITUALISM...a way of living > your body and joining another body(body number 2) somewhere > else...either in the sky...underground...or under the ocean.... > 3. Christianity seeks to show us the origin of all phenomena as well > as their end result... > 4. I t also seeks to show us even the economic principles that we > should pursue...which I find very SOCIALIST...to note but a > few..Leviticus 25:1-18: > 1 The LORD said to Moses on Mount Sinai, 2 "Speak to the Israelites > and say to them: 'When you enter the land I am going to give you, the > land itself must observe a sabbath to the LORD. 3 For six years sow > your fields, and for six years prune your vineyards and gather their > crops. 4 But in the seventh year the land is to have a sabbath of > rest, a sabbath to the LORD. Do not sow your fields or prune your > vineyards. 5 Do not reap what grows of itself or harvest the grapes of > your untended vines. The land is to have a year of rest. 6 Whatever > the land yields during the sabbath year will be food for you—for > yourself, your manservant and maidservant, and the hired worker and > temporary resident who live among you, 7 as well as for your livestock > and the wild animals in your land. Whatever the land produces may be > eaten. > The Year of Jubilee > 8 " 'Count off seven sabbaths of years—seven times seven years—so > that the seven sabbaths of years amount to a period of forty-nine > years. 9 Then have the trumpet sounded everywhere on the tenth day of > the seventh month; on the Day of Atonement sound the trumpet > throughout your land. 10 Consecrate the fiftieth year and proclaim > liberty throughout the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a > jubilee for you; each one of you is to return to his family property > and each to his own clan. 11 The fiftieth year shall be a jubilee for > you; do not sow and do not reap what grows of itself or harvest the > untended vines. 12 For it is a jubilee and is to be holy for you; eat > only what is taken directly from the fields. > 13 " 'In this Year of Jubilee everyone is to return to his own property. > > 14 " 'If you sell land to one of your countrymen or buy any from him, > do not take advantage of each other. 15 You are to buy from your > countryman on the basis of the number of years since the Jubilee. And > he is to sell to you on the basis of the number of years left for > harvesting crops. 16 When the years are many, you are to increase the > price, and when the years are few, you are to decrease the price, > because what he is really selling you is the number of crops. 17 Do > not take advantage of each other, but fear your God. I am the LORD > your God. > > 18 " 'Follow my decrees and be careful to obey my laws, and you will > live safely in the land. 19 Then the land will yield its fruit, and > you will eat your fill and live there in safety. 20 You may ask, "What > will we eat in the seventh year if we do not plant or harvest our > crops?" 21 I will send you such a blessing in the sixth year that the > land will yield enough for three years. 22 While you plant during the > eighth year, you will eat from the old crop and will continue to eat > from it until the harvest of the ninth year comes in. > > 23 " 'The land must not be sold permanently, because the land is mine > and you are but aliens and my tenants. 24 Throughout the country that > you hold as a possession, you must provide for the redemption of the > land. > > 25 " 'If one of your countrymen becomes poor and sells some of his > property, his nearest > > > as well as Deutoronomy 15: > At the end of every seven years you must cancel debts. 2 This is how > it is to be done: Every creditor shall cancel the loan he has made to > his fellow Israelite. He shall not require payment from his fellow > Israelite or brother, because the LORD's time for canceling debts has > been proclaimed. 3 You may require payment from a foreigner, but you > must cancel any debt your brother owes you. 4 However, there should be > no poor among you, for in the land the LORD your God is giving you to > possess as your inheritance, he will richly bless you, 5 if only you > fully obey the LORD your God and are careful to follow all these > commands I am giving you today. 6 For the LORD your God will bless you > as he has promised, and you will lend to many nations but will borrow > from none. You will rule over many nations but none will rule over > you. > 7 If there is a poor man among your brothers in any of the towns of > the land that the LORD your God is giving you, do not be hardhearted > or tightfisted toward your poor brother. 8 Rather be openhanded and > freely lend him whatever he needs. 9 Be careful not to harbor this > wicked thought: "The seventh year, the year for canceling debts, is > near," so that you do not show ill will toward your needy brother and > give him nothing. He may then appeal to the LORD against you, and you > will be found guilty of sin. 10 Give generously to him and do so > without a grudging heart; then because of this the LORD your God will > bless you in all your work and in everything you put your hand to. 11 > There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you > to be openhanded toward your brothers and toward the poor and needy in > your land. > > Freeing Servants > 12 If a fellow Hebrew, a man or a woman, sells himself to you and > serves you six years, in the seventh year you must let him go free. 13 > And when you release him, do not send him away empty-handed. 14 Supply > him liberally from your flock, your threshing floor and your > winepress. Give to him as the LORD your God has blessed you. 15 > Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and the LORD your God redeemed > you. That is why I give you this command today. > 16 But if your servant says to you, "I do not want to leave you," > because he loves you and your family and is well off with you, 17 then > take an awl and push it through his ear lobe into the door, and he > will become your servant for life. Do the same for your maidservant. > > 18 Do not consider it a hardship to set your servant free..... > > 4. When Jesus Christ had to address crowds for the first time in a > synagogue..( a church that turned to be used by hypocrites)...he said > to them...as a MISSION STAEMENT OF THE GOSPEL.. > > "The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has > anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up > the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release > from darkness for the prisoners..." > ..the Gospel is liberation to the poor...materially, in the souls as > well as the spirit... > thre are things that Marxism cannot address even today...issues of the > spirit...ANGER...AFFLICTION...RESENTMENT...SELF WORTH....CONFLICT OF > THE SOUL WITHIN...those are all spiritual matters that need to be > addressed..and Christianity stands to address those....to give hope > where there is no hope...to turn a test to a testimony...to understand > the good within bad...vice versa...to understand exremes and > limits...set human standards...and so on... > > Now on the question of tresures and money...and all of that..THE BIBLE > SAYS:.."LOVE FOR MONEY IS THE SOURCE OF ALL EVIL"...and yes indeed it > is...and socialism was never about love for money...AND IT WILL NEVER > BE...WELL THE FRENCH CAPITALIST REVOLUTION WAS ABOUT THE LOVE FOR > MONEY...BUT NOT THE WORKING CLASS REVOLUTION... > therefore, on Treasures in heaven and treasures of this > world...interpreted correctly..it simply says..." PLEASE DON'T BE > PRE-OCCUPIED WITH WEALTH CREATION FOR YOUR OWN GAIN...BECAUSE THAT'S > WHAT WILL LEAD YOU TO DO TERRIBLE THINGS TO YOUR OWN BROTHER AND TO > THE SOCIETY AT LARGE...." IN OTHER WORDS, DON'T BE PRE-OCCUPIED WITH > HOW YOU'LL GET RICH...rather it says, 'GIVE AND IT SHALL BE GIVEN BACK > UNTO YOU PRESSED DOWN SHAKEN TOGETHER, MAN SHALL BACK ON YOUR BOSSOM > THE SAME MEASURE THAN YOU GAVE....NO INTEREST NO LESS..THE SAME > MEASURE....is tha not a communal way of living???????? > > you know what I like about this debate is that there is somewhere it > is leading us...a DEEP REVELATION ABOUT WHERE WE ARE HEADING...and I'm > greatfull about that... > > Now, you can have as many interpretations as ypou can about the > Bible...but you must understand that thre's nothing that is > anti-communist about it...but it has been missused by peolple who were > never christians in the first place...SATANIST PREACHERS WHO PRETEND > TO BE CHRISTIANS AND YET SATANIST WHO LIKE TO MAKE SPOILS OF POOR > SOULS...PEOPLE LIKE BENNY HINN AND OTHERS....THOSE ARE REAL TIME > SATANISTS WHO ARE PROFANING CHRISTIANITY....MOST OF THEM ARE EVEN CIA > AGENTS... > > LASTLY, I DONT THINK I'LL REST BEFORE YOU MAKE A COMMENTORY ON THE BIBLE > CODE. > > REGARDS > XOLI > > confused of the >> criteria that may have been used to identify you in the ranks of the party >> as you had earlier alluded of your 17 year identification, while unlike >> you >> I will seek not to degenerate this debate and give categorical > clarity on >> this debate "Deployment from Heaven". >> >> My understanding of this debate and where it came from was from the >> reactionary tendencies that might or may have lead the so called >> Christians >> ambassadors to nullify and derail our revolutionary struggle in bettering >> the lives of our people, you have however seen it fit to come at their >> defense in unscientific evidence that almost 90 % of the society is >> Christian, which I find hard to believe, point is... >> >> 1. Christianity and it introduction to the African context has lead to >> further class divisions, class unconsciousness, and has made our people to >> be more docile in semi-rhetoric interpretations of the world and even in >> your case of Labor power. >> 2. Exploitation of the working class comes in various forms and thus >> Religion had sentient found expression in the form of Christianity. >> 3. Christianity has and still been used as a referral of justness and >> apologetically as a substitute of the working class struggle, to letting >> exploitation find expression in the relief that "God will make a way..." >> 4. Racial exclamation from means of production, as a fascistic believe >> that >> "Me of the dark skin shall work in my brothers wine yard.." >> 5. Christianity has however been the center of patriarchy through its >> practice and synonymy "Let Simon have 20 wives and 130 concubines..." >> 6. Christianity is further trajectory of the reality facing us, "Worry not >> of the wealth here in earth as dear Lord my father has created most wealth >> for you to enjoy in heaven..." >> >> here are some notes for you to consider yes they are in the same bible you >> so much entrust with the responsibility of changing the society and >> bettering their lives >> >> - On Treasures! >> Matthew 6 vs 19 "Do not store up yourselves treasures on earth, where moth >> and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal, But store up for >> yourselves in heaven, were moth and rust do not destroy, were thieves wont >> break and steal..." >> >> Since you find it hard to understand points in discussions let me make it >> easy for you, Indeed as you say if 90 % of our society is Christian don't >> you think its useless for the ANCYL to >> pursue the Nationalisation of Mines, and dint you think the freedom >> chatter >> is just a wish list as 90% of our society is defenatly not worried of the >> wealth of our country. >> >> On social emancipation! >> Matthew 6 vs 25: "Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what >> will you eat or drink, or about your body, what you will wear...and yet >> the >> Heavenly farther feeds them... who of you by worrying add a single hour in >> his life?... >> >> By this, it suggest that the 90% you reefer to shall not worry if water is >> not given if the bourgeois does not pay for them to put food on the table, >> if they are retrenched or unemployed as "thee Heavenly father will >> provided >> all. >> >> there are more found contradictions within the bible that you have to >> further clarify comrade Priest as it is not our tusk to transform our >> lives >> rather to wait for the heavenly father to come >> down on earth and relieve us from our misery. >> >> It is merely my point that should we worry whether or not does heaven >> exist >> but put more energy in seeking scientific solutions in bettering the lives >> of our people, and only this is trough socialism, that has clear >> indications >> of giving each according to their needs and all as to their contributions, >> I >> have not yet seen any progressive drive for us to center in to fallacy and >> seek to out source our revolutionary tusk to this presumed high being as >> to >> he will sort out and through our prayers hope that he will over come >> capitalism, class exploitation and finally win for us the class straggle >> against any form of oppressions by men to men. >> >> Further more dear Priest during and after the apartheid regime, >> Christianity >> was a tool to further weaken us, through religious perceptual of morals... >> it was through the same Christianity morally correct to have a "christian >> name" and that would presume your >> unqualified statistics of the 90 % christian. >> >> It is further correct that almost 90 % of church goers that you wrongly >> identify as Christian, while in actual fact are the direct opposite of >> what >> the initial Christianity should be, take note that in the South African >> Communist Party we have a constitution that will mark as a guiding >> document >> to our moral participation to our core communist morale, in which the fact >> that any one who is found to be in breach of this supreme document of the >> party, its principles, aims, objectives and purpose may and will face >> disciplinary action from the movement and may or shall be expelled taking >> cognizance of the violation... >> >> But however in this "Christianity vanguardsim" may and sure notably know >> are >> in contempt of the supreme document (Bible) ingcwadi engcwele, the holly >> book that can be wrong at no stage, to not but a few Examples... >> >> On greed! >> Matthew 6 vs 24: >> "No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the >> other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You can not >> serve both God and money..." >> >> Well it is clear tatu 'mfundisi that many of your fellow congregates do >> the >> direct opposite of this, or is it just a fallacy like I noted with you... >> Tell me it is said that a third of your income should go to serving the >> will >> of God, do you do as such, has any of your congregates disclosed his/her >> income so that the church may know its entitled share. >> >> On love!! >> Matthew 5 vs 43: " ... Love your enemies and pray for those who prosecute >> you, that you may be sons of your father in Heaven. he caused his sun to >> rise on the evil and the good..." >> >> Tell me is that love that we recently got from the deployee from heaven, >> is >> that love when the society vowed to never again shall it be that the >> country >> shall be oppressed but >> some other lobbied for the society to retract the gains of this freedom >> by >> not going to the polls in last years general elections, those are men of >> of >> God, anointed by his spirit, was the words attered from them the word of >> God, is it the holly spirit speaking to us. >> >> On Judgment!! >> Issiah 8 vs 12: "..Do not judge any of your brother... for I the Lord >> shall >> judge any evil, good for you as I am the will and the way..." >> >> Judgments have been thrown to JZ by the presumed man of God, they had >> found >> expression as the anointed ones... for I am now confused on what are you >> trying to justify in the degraded fallacy called Christianity. >> >> I do not seek to defend neither my position as a non Christian who worries >> not either heaven do or not exist but would seek to build my little heaven >> here. >> >> >> Prescription for your disease comrade Priest, I would suggest you stop >> wasting your time in trying to >> negate something that we both know you will fail to do as such, but >> assist >> us in waving a revolutionary struggle and if not convinced let you first >> try >> negating the Bible, Ohh!! Forgot it is not questionable it would be a sin >> for you to question the word of God... but would be very good and >> exceptable >> for you to try and play mind terrifying games by trying to scare us of the >> impossible... Since you are going to Cuba to pray please make sure that >> you >> don't tell them that you were recruited by the likes of Utshonyane Chris >> Hani you would be a disgrace to our struggle, and further don't take a >> chance in telling them fantasy of you trying to negate Marx writings they >> will trow you in jail in suspicions of you being a CIA... a reminder on >> what >> the bible says about fantasy Proverbs 12 vs 11: "...But who chases >> fantasies >> lacks judgment..." well holy one for you should have known all this before >> you take responsibility >> of the imperialistic conceptual knowledge. >> >> So my friend in all its worth the revolution is defenatly not a minute >> safe >> with you... advisably as non important as it is you should research about >> Conspiracy theory maybe you will close off the gabs of your limited >> analysis... My fellow comrades believes that there is no hope in you, >> changing from your anarchist stand but however un-Christian as I am I >> still >> believe there is much but little chance for understanding of tolls and the >> lot. >> >> Good luck with your fruitless adventure!!! >> >> >> Regards Sithembewena Che Tsembeyi >> >> --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Xoli Dlabantu <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> From: Xoli Dlabantu <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: FW: >> Re: FW: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] DEPLOYMENT FROM HEAVEN >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 12:55 AM >> >> Cde, >> 1. To say that a comrade is a mere "activist" who will "never" come to >> the desired level of "being" suggests mental retardation on the part >> of the "proponent" who would by all means impart such retardation to >> others so that they can be benchmarked by his/ her state of static >> retardness...That was offensive and deserved what it got... >> 2. I find nothing difficult with developing marxism as a system of >> ideas, nor do I regard Marx as this super-genious...rather I regard >> him as a person who laid foundation for the development of the >> society...I can see flaws in his system and like any other >> system...seeks maintainance... >> 3. An axiological perspective on class analysis is to study the value >> system or value judgements of that class analysis...and it >> doesn't >> alter our understanding at all but it harnesses and propells it other >> heights...the Struggle between humanisation...and dehumanisation...the >> oppressor and the oppressor...the capitalist class and the alienated >> working class... >> 4.the point behind the question on "the value of commodified labour >> (power) to be precise is raised against the incomplete nature of >> Marxism...and the answer...though it was never included...is quite >> easily accessible...and it doesn't take a genious...of ntsembeyi's >> stature or a figure out...but it merely needs research...so here I'm >> trying to break the religious myth or DOGMA THAT MARXISM IS >> COMPLETE... >> 5. With regard to the issue of "value of commodified labour >> power",..I'm consulting broadly with other socialists >> internationaly....and they find no anomaly...with anyone making a >> contribution of developing Marxism...and my intended approach is to >> come an exegisis...of Das >> Kapital Vol1... >> Xoli.. >> >> On 2/16/10, Brendan Lee <[email protected]> wrote: >>> xoli, >>> >>> you have missed the point of this forum. >>> >>> we do not shoot people or take shots at people here. >>> >>> we form a discourse that helps to benifit everybody. >>> >>> if you feel that this forum will benefit from your understanding of >>> the "value of commodified labour" then by all mean start a topic where >>> this can be discussed. >>> >>> retardation is a medical disorder, to suggest that people who struggle >>> to grapple with issues suffer from a mental disorder is offensive and >>> shows a complete disregard for understanding on your behalf. >>> >>> i often struggle to comprehend complex issues, which is why i ask >>> comrades to engage with me on these subjects in >> the hope of all of us >>> coming to a better understanding and finding clarity in difficult >>> subjects. this is why this forum exists and are the principles to >>> which this forum is based on. >>> >>> on a side note i have read your comments and seek clarity as to what >>> is meant by an 'axiological view of class struggle.' of course i >>> understand the words but in what manner does it alter our >>> understanding of class struggle >>> you could say im grappling with an understanding of this statement >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You are subscribed. 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