By the way comrade Lebese liberation theology can give you a very diffent perspective on religion, such that not only can you despise it, but also utilise it, by applying the tool of liberation theology in order too mobilise the working class foor a destruction of the capitalist establishment.
Perhaps we should look more into it as VC suggests, then we have more deliberations around it. On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Mpho Lebese <[email protected]> wrote: > As much as I will not look down, label or insult any religion, I will also > be glad if people like you will learn not to make mistakes and contradicting > themselves. > > You have indicated on your second paragraph that you are not a communist > nor Marxist, one wonders how can you say, on the third paragraph, "with your > poor understanding of Marxism and how it was intended to unfold in the > world." By the look of your contextual interpretation, your knowlegde or > insight, you probably must have an academic knowlegde of Marxism, and that > does not in any way makes you to look down, label and insult Communists or > Marxists as you do and sound not to be. "Motswana a re tshwene ga e ipone > makopo" > > At least most of the South Africans, if not all were born Christians, > infact, were forced to be Christians. the cde here has the right to unravel > all the injustices Christianity has done to mankind. you are correct by > saying Christianity played a role in the country as there are few episodes > of Christianity whereby the so-called freedom fighters, ANC in > particular used churches to propagade its ideology and objectives. But in > majority, human kind suffers in the name of religion. I have learned from > Christianity, as I was born a Christian, that religion contributed to the > retrogres and backwardness of human kind, making mankind a subject of the > bourgeios, of the imperialist, and accept to be so because "blessed are the > poor for they will inherit the wealth of the heavens." Mecenaries came with > guns, shot and killed us and put a clergy, a man of God to hypnotise us, > soften us and conceived us to accept that "when a man hit you on the face, > give him the other side to hit, don't hit back because God will hit him for > you." > > Please right your Marxism knowledge and don't relate to "people who follow > Marxism" in your quest to justify your hollow understanding of Marxism, *YOU > ARE NOT A MARXIST, YOU MUST NEVER WRITE ANYTHING ABOUT MARXISM, TALK AND > WRITE ABOUT CHRISTIANITY, I WILL LISTEN TO YOU, BUT WITH AMAZEMENT. *I can > write what I like, correctly so - what I know, what I was taught about > Christianity, do you know why,' because I was born a Christian, breastfed > chrsitianity, taught it from pre-school, forced to attend sunday school, > forced to go to church every sunday, forced to be involved in chistian > activities. Note that I will not distort Christianity, I can't do that, and > I won't - because I learned and lived it 90 percent of my life, I am now 34 > years old. Can mathematicians indicate to my brother how long have I been > chained by christianity. I have learned christianity the hard way, it is in > my blood. I am happy that it is no more in my mind, I am so free from > bondage. YOU CAN CALL IT NICELY, LIBERATION THEOLOGY, the holly book hasn't > changed, it is still the same. > > This is a friendly advise, DO NOT DISTORT MARXISM BE CAUSE AS YOU SAID, YOU > ARE NOT A COMMUNIST NOR MARXIST, PEOPLE WILL LAUGH AT YOU > > I am out > > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 4:07 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> I think you are making a mistake here by saying that insults and labelling >> are part of this forum. I am surprised that no one here bothered to call >> order on you. It is people like you portrayed as revolutionaries by their >> peers who give this revolution a bad name. >> >> As much as I am not a communist or Marxist (Not because of my religious >> beliefs) I refuse to believe that they give their members entitlement to >> insult and label others to make friends to deliberately create enemies. I >> am not going to tolerate your insults and negative labelling that are not >> really opart of what Marxists are all about. >> >> It is people liek yourself who misrepresents what the old man said about >> religion, with your poor understanding of Marxism and how it was intended >> to unfold in the world. I don't even think that it is acceptable for us to >> be making enemies of each other, certainly not in teh SA revolution, not >> even China nor Cuba is advocating such nonsense as you want us to believe. >> >> >> You must also remember that Christianity in this country has played a role >> as well, during the struggle against apartheid. You might not like that >> fact, but you would not change it, irrespective of the type of thesis you >> can write about the fallacie sof religion. Christianity played a role in >> this country's liberation and liberation theology was a key as well. >> South America has experience of this theology as well. This is where >> people who follow Marxism are and they do not make such silly remarks >> about Christianity. >> >> I ma not trying to convert you to become a Christian as I respect your >> choice not to believe, but I hope you will tolerate what yu do not believe >> in, as I am not an aspiring communist, but do not have a problem, with >> that ideology. >> >> >> >> What you need, I think, is some dose of tolerance and better understanding >> of correct Marxism >> >> >> > Botipe, >> > Chief you must understand this was not about the religion and it has >> > nothing to do with christianity.By joining this forum you agree to be >> part >> > of the marxist world in search of the only and the only truth.However >> as >> > we >> > get deeper in our experementation some will be hurt and some would >> > cry.Unfortunately it is the game itself and if you willing to play you >> > must >> > tolerate the labellings,insults as part of the game.We are not in an >> > NGO's. >> > some times is hot and as it get hot friends becomes enemies and enemies >> > becomes friends.It is a game with no referee . >> > >> > >> > Thanks >> > Howard >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 2:02 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> Dear Cadres, >> >> >> >> I think it is true that we lack political debates these days, seeing >> >> what >> >> other comrades are tading against each other here. It is a sorry state >> >> of >> >> our current politics, and it does not really surprise us even national >> >> leades in the youth leagues and the alliance in general has stoop this >> >> low >> >> in their glory seeking type of politics. >> >> >> >> To some in our movement, making serious accusations and attacking other >> >> cadres, appears to make them good leaders and the messiahs of our >> >> changing >> >> politics.Labelling and lampooning other comrades has become daily >> >> feature >> >> of our political life. Communists are not immune from suhc as well. >> >> >> >> One thing, I think we must not make is to generalise when we speak >> about >> >> Christians. Even if you chose not to become one, but at least do not >> >> insult Christians. Some of us in this movement remain Christians and >> >> even >> >> the founders of the ANC were the man of the cloth. >> >> >> >> The ANC, at least, is still depending on the votes of the people from >> >> the >> >> Church during elections. Your puerile label of Christians as people >> >> running away from reality is at least un-comradely. I think you are >> part >> >> of the members of the communist party worldwide who misunderstood Marx >> >> when he spoke of religion being the opium of the masses. To some >> >> religiln >> >> is personal as communism is personal to those of your ilk. I hope you >> >> would not repeat that mistake of attacking religion, or any other >> >> formattion that people subscribe to. At least your attack on the DA >> will >> >> be welcome, but not religion. >> >> >> >> The problem of brining your personal attacks in to this forum is also >> >> silly. None of you should lobby our symphathy, with what you have >> >> started >> >> through your poor level of debates. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > comrades I am suprised of Umfundisi's latest responce to me via >> >> facebook, >> >> > He has actually sent me a treath as you may read bellow: >> >> > Messages >> >> > New message >> >> > Back to MessagesSelect allSelect noneMark as ReadMark as unreadReport >> >> > spamDeleteUnsubscribe >> >> > Select: All, Read, None >> >> > Show:AllUnread >> >> > Between You and Xoli Dlabantu >> >> > >> >> > Xoli Dlabantu18 February at 17:55 >> >> > do you have to swear that much...what happens when we meet? what if I >> >> have >> >> > the resources to trace >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > To Xoli the Preist: >> >> > >> >> > I do not have to worry yet again with your unfounded christain >> >> believes, >> >> > thing is you have just confermed my long suspitions that all >> >> christains >> >> > are nothing but an escape from reality... 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