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which can be viewed at http://www.eskom.co.za/email_legalnotice ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cde Vanguard The role of trade union is different from that of a party , the question of state power is a programme that should be carried by the party and the trade union shall have to assist the party in organising work place committees that will deal with workers issues at a factory level . That particular arrangement will have to be co ordinated with party cells on the ground so that where there is a need for state intervention , is will be easily co ordinated . Imagine a trade union contesting elections and it wins the election , it therefore suggest that the trade union will have to transform itself in to a political party .Workers must be members of the party in order to influence positions within the party ( Communist Party ) . The question two stages is a distortion of internationalism , the National Democratic Revolution has one stage , that of achieving National liberation and thereafter a socialist contraction ( class struggle) since under socialism there still exist classes until the total liquidation of capitalism .The question of permanent revolution is links to the internationalist view that seeks to liquidate capitalism at an international level , remember socialism cannot be build in one country but it is an international task. The moment a country is isolated , it cannot advance its complete socialist contraction . Yours for Socialism Ranney Jomo Segage Credit and Revenue Management Tel : 013 6934158 Fax : 013 6934186 Pax : 82214158 Cell : 0824710085 The denial of social contradictions leads to the denial of dialectics as a logical theory >>> "jerrymokoena" <[email protected]> 2010/04/07 10:35 AM >>> Cde VC Ours as the working class against bourgeoise class is a Permanent Revolution not Two-Stage Revolution of SACP and COSATU through NDR that suggest that us as the Working Class and Bourgeoise Class we can achieve our objectives through common programme. Unions particularly SAMWU chief task is freeing the state from the embracement of capitalism because trade union cease to be trade union in the imperialst epoch. The primary slogan for this struggle is complete and unconditional independence of the trade unions in relation to the capitalist state. Vanguard Mokwena SAMWU Shopsteward From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dominic Tweedie Sent: 31 March 2010 10:27 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] The Tripartite Alliance-going back to basics; who must lead the Alliance? Dear Cde Mduduzi, You have brought this discussion to a nice point where one can answer Yes, or No. And the answer is definitely: No. The Party's role is to foster a hegemony or in other words a dictatorship of the popular masses, or of the proletariat - a People's Democratic Dictatorship of one sort or another. By all means continue to have a discussion about those alternatives. But the distinguishing characteristic of the Communist Party among other parties is that it never seeks power for itself. The day that the Communist Party seeks power for itself, it will become no different from any common bourgeois party. The ANC as the liberation movement of the popular masses must lead itself. We can't lead it, without destroying it. It must be democratic and lead itself. It is the embodiment of the Alliance, as much as the One Spirit is the embodiment of the Trinity. There is no separate standing Alliance authority, and there will never be. Likewise the mass organisations of the working class lead themselves, and would be of no use if they were not able and willing and determined to lead themselves. The Party leads in its own way, as the indispensable generalist vanguard complement to the great mass organisations of the people. The task of the NDR is to extend democracy to all corners of the republic and from bottom to top. The main means of doing so is by educating, organising and mobilising the masses in all conceivable ways. This communist task has not changed and should not change. VC Mduduzi H Vilakazi wrote: Cdes, The discussion around the issue of who leads the alliance is as old as the existence of the alliance. This alliance is not a product of a boardroom wherein a decision of which component leads could be discussed. It is an alliance that came as a result of pramatic programmes. History tells us that were it not of the banning of the party in 1950, the ANC could have not made this historic strides. After its banning, the party operated underground and established an international networks with other communist parties outside. The base for the ANC in exile was created and established through the efforts of the SACP. The campaigns and the congress of the people (not COPE) in that took place between 1950 and 1960 were mainly influenced by a socialist agenda. Equally, the SACP was the first to adopt a non-racial and non-sexist stance long before the the ANC could realise it. When the ANC was banned in 1960, all systems were in place to accommodate these cadres into exile by the left-leaning organisations outside the country. Most cadres were taken to Moscow, Russia for military and political training. The ANC was mainly funded by the communist parties from accross the globe including education of most of our leaders. I have dwelt much on the historic epoch above to clarify that the SACP has always provided leadership during and after the fight for liberation. However, it was strategic then to allow the ANC as the major mobiliser of masses to carry on the work of speaking on behalf of the oppressed masses of our people because of its inclusive character. The question is whether the ground is not fertile now for the SACP to lead the alliance so that it spead up the realisation of an open class struggle. I mean, the ANC, much as it addresses certain elements of the revolution, it does so in focussing much on the national struggle while too accommodative to the capitalists as well. Are we not ready as communists to lead the alliance to an open class struggle? 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