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Can you perhaps clarify the question of stages in which a particular revolution has to pass through , of whether do we real have to pass through the bourgeois democratic revolution and latter the Socialist contraction in which the primary objective of the National Democratic Revolution is to create a terrain for the Socialist agenda.Which one ?the Stalin's two stage theory or the Lenin's approach. Yours in the Struggle for Socialism Ranney Jomo Segage Credit and Revenue Management Tel : 013 6934158 Fax : 013 6934186 Pax : 82214158 Cell : 0824710085 The denial of social contradictions leads to the denial of dialectics as a logical theory >>> Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> 2010/03/31 03:26 PM >>> Cde Litha and Cde Prophet, What I happen to think is necessary at this time, for whatever my opinion is worth, is that comrades begin to have a much better understanding of the NDR. There is no way that a class, or a class alliance of the oppressed, can take power unless it is organised. I am afraid that you may think of the Party as a version of the Good Shepherd, but it is not so and it cannot be like that. We say that we have achieved a democratic breakthrough, in 1994, and we might as well count Polokwane as another democratic breakthrough. These breakthroughs give all of us, communists or not, the opportunity to continue the work of democratisation, down to street level, and in all fragments and sections especially including the women, and to all corners of the country. Masses of people cannot act as a historic Subject - the Subject of History - unless they are democratically organised. This is a prerequisite of any questions about socialism, among others. The process of democratisation is actually indistinguishable from the process of socialisation. The outbursts of Julius Malema have put us on notice that the work of democratisation is at risk from demagogy. Especially I am referring to the attacks on the SACP where the capitalist Malema was falsely posing as being more communist than the communists. The fact that an important component of the NDR such as the ANC YL could find itself with a President who is a deceptive demagogue is an indication that the work of democratisation is not yet well enough done. By the way, this is something that should especially concern the YCL. Not only internally, but externally also, the NDR is crucial. South Africa should be promoting NDR everywhere from Zimbabwe to Swaziland to Palestine to Nepal. NDR is our main interest. Yet how many of us understand it fully, and understand its history? Prophet and Litha, we are not in competition with our allies. It is the communists, to a greater extent than any others, who have built the ANC and COSATU. Communists are continuing to build those organisations today, but there is still much more work to be done before the country is democratised to the full and necessary extent. Please note that I am not saying it is a matter of time. It is a matter of doing the work, and the work is urgent. VC On 31 March 2010 14:24, <[email protected]> wrote: > > VC > > How then do you propose we achieve a Socialist state. The ANC prides > itself on being a party that acommodates people with different ideologies > who seek to achieve the same goal.(Africanists,christians,ect) are you > proposing we swell the ranks of the ANC to influence policy? Is this > possible with the current state of affairs within the Allaince? Is is not > better to build a strong SACP where we can have a louder voice within the > Allaince? i may be off the point. i am a political novice,after all. > > > > With best regards/Mit freundlichen Grüssen /Ngeminqweno emihle/שָׁלם > > Litha Thando Yono > Mechatronics Technician > DaimlerChrysler South Africa > P.O Box 671 > East London > 5200 > Tel(W) 043-706 2970 > Fax(W)043 706 9308 > > "You show me a capitalist,i'll show you a bloodsucker" > > > > > > *[email protected]* > Sent by: [email protected] > > 2010/03/31 02:05 PM > Please respond to > > [email protected] > > To > [email protected] > cc > Subject > Re: [YCLSA Discussion] The Tripartite Alliance-going back to basics; > who must lead the Alliance? > > > > > My Dear Nqobizitha, > > You don't follow, but it's o.k.! > > All the time I have known you, you have been charming, and calm, and I have > never known a theoretical political question to really trouble you. You are > not a person who is usually disturbed by internal contradictions or doubts. > This has its advantages, and its disadvantages. > > What I have written in my previous message on this thread stands on its own > and is not to be cancelled by, or counterposed to, any matters such as these > others that you mention now. > > Among other things, what I have written implies that the MDC of Zimbabwe is > doomed because it is a bourgeois party. The MDC's only half-good argument is > that two bourgeois parties are better than one. The MDC may have had > revolutionary democratic potential at some stage. I don't know if it did or > not. But if so, then by now those days of revolutionary potential are gone. > > It is clear that there are very few Zimbabweans who understand South > Africa's National Democratic Revolution, or understand NDRs in general. By > the way, I am currently running the CU course on NDRs on a blog called * > http://arsnotoria.blogspot.com/* <http://arsnotoria.blogspot.com/>, if you > are interested. I started it there on 15 March. > > The ANC is not a competitor to its allies. It does need to grow. All the > other democratic mass organisations need to grow, too, and not just those > three or four who are the acknowledged members of the NDR Alliance. > > I can't answer for people who think they can capture the ANC in some way. > That is a mistake. We don't do that. It's against our constitution. > > The question of the SACP standing candidates for Parliament is a matter of > tactics. The need for such a thing is considerably less since Polokwane. > > The question of the SACP ever seeking to win an actual majority in a > bourgeois-democratic parliamentary election is absurd in my opinion, for > reasons already given. The SACP, unlike the MDC for example, is not a > bourgeois party. > > It is the class which must take power to accomplish socialism, and not the > Party. > > Your idea of taking power is simply derived from bourgeois ideas of > majority rule. > > That's o.k., because the communists will not slaughter the bourgeoisie. But > if you want to get into our politics, in our organisations, then you need to > straighten out some of your ideas Cde Nqobizitha. > > I am pretty sure that I have told you most, or possibly all, of this > before, but it has rolled off you like water from a duck's back. > > Best, > > VC > > > > On 31 March 2010 13:25, Nqobizitha Mlilo M <*[email protected]*<[email protected]>> > wrote: > Cde Dominic > > Please indulge me-I genuinely wish to understand this matter. > > So when there is a call to swell the ranks of the ANC what is the end goal > of that? > > Secondly, are you suggesting that the call by some that the SACP must > contest elections is ideologically indefensible? > > From what you are saying how do we reach a Socialist and then a Communist > state? Is it by the communists swelling the ranks of the ANC and "... > fostering a dictatorship of the popular masses, or the proletariat..." > through the ANC. I don't follow. > > I beg your indulgence cde VC. > > Amandla > > > > > On 3/31/10, *Dominic Tweedie* <*[email protected]*<[email protected]>> > wrote: > Dear Cde Mduduzi, > > You have brought this discussion to a nice point where one can answer Yes, > or No. > > And the answer is definitely: No. > > The Party's role is to foster a hegemony or in other words a dictatorship > of the popular masses, or of the proletariat - a People's Democratic > Dictatorship of one sort or another. By all means continue to have a > discussion about those alternatives. > > But the distinguishing characteristic of the Communist Party among other > parties is that it never seeks power for itself. The day that the Communist > Party seeks power for itself, it will become no different from any common > bourgeois party. > > The ANC as the liberation movement of the popular masses must lead itself. > We can't lead it, without destroying it. It must be democratic and lead > itself. It is the embodiment of the Alliance, as much as the One Spirit is > the embodiment of the Trinity. There is no separate standing Alliance > authority, and there will never be. > > Likewise the mass organisations of the working class lead themselves, and > would be of no use if they were not able and willing and determined to lead > themselves. > > The Party leads in its own way, as the indispensable generalist vanguard > complement to the great mass organisations of the people. > > The task of the NDR is to extend democracy to all corners of the republic > and from bottom to top. The main means of doing so is by educating, > organising and mobilising the masses in all conceivable ways. > > This communist task has not changed and should not change. > > VC > > > > > Mduduzi H Vilakazi wrote: > Cdes, > > The discussion around the issue of who leads the alliance is as old as the > existence of the alliance. This alliance is not a product of a boardroom > wherein a decision of which component leads could be discussed. It is an > alliance that came as a result of pramatic programmes. > > History tells us that were it not of the banning of the party in 1950, the > ANC could have not made this historic strides. After its banning, the party > operated underground and established an international networks with other > communist parties outside. The base for the ANC in exile was created and > established through the efforts of the SACP. > > The campaigns and the congress of the people (not COPE) in that took place > between 1950 and 1960 were mainly influenced by a socialist agenda. Equally, > the SACP was the first to adopt a non-racial and non-sexist stance long > before the the ANC could realise it. > > When the ANC was banned in 1960, all systems were in place to accommodate > these cadres into exile by the left-leaning organisations outside the > country. Most cadres were taken to Moscow, Russia for military and political > training. The ANC was mainly funded by the communist parties from accross > the globe including education of most of our leaders. > > I have dwelt much on the historic epoch above to clarify that the SACP has > always provided leadership during and after the fight for liberation. > However, it was strategic then to allow the ANC as the major mobiliser of > masses to carry on the work of speaking on behalf of the oppressed masses of > our people because of its inclusive character. > > The question is whether the ground is not fertile now for the SACP to lead > the alliance so that it spead up the realisation of an open class struggle. > I mean, the ANC, much as it addresses certain elements of the revolution, it > does so in focussing much on the national struggle while too accommodative > to the capitalists as well. > > Are we not ready as communists to lead the alliance to an open class > struggle? > > I remain > > *Mduduzi Herman Vilakazi* > *Internal Auditor* > Dept of P/Works, Roads and Transport > Mpumalanga Province > > Tel: 013 766 8280 > Cell: 083 357 4849/083 990 8523 > Fax: 086 544 3205 > > "Ignorant men don't know what good they hold in their hands until they've > flung it away." > -Sophocles > > > > -- > You are subscribed. 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