Cde Sabelo
I stand to support what Cde Botipe has allotted to earlier, the recent upsurge in labor struggles and township protests is a result of SACP misleaders and COSATU bureaucrats persisting on pledging their support to Jacob Zuma an Anti-Working Politician. The obscenity of the SACP' pro-Zuma position was a revolutionary sinister as others saw Zuma's dismissal as an anti-zulu plot by Mbeki and other Xhosa ANC central leadership. Tripartite Alliance is a nationalist popular front which the power of the working class is wielded to nationalist bourgeoisie organization. This is a pure class collaboration as there are only two classes within the global society. NDR stand to derail us as the working class to realize our objective which is a Socialist Revolution. Zuma the principal of SALGA, it was Jacob Zuma who instructed police department to carry out apartheid-style of breaking away of strikes. Our (being SAMWU shopsteward) current dispute is the fact that the so called "new South African state" is under bourgeois-nationalist ANC that entrenches its power through Police which remains our enemies as the working class and they continue to defend the capitalist wage slavery. Lenin wrote in State and Revolution. "The State is an organ of class domination, an organ of oppression of one class by another." The bourgeoisie state cannot be reformed or pressured into acting on behalf of the working class and the oppressed. The capitalist system must be overthrown through workers socialist revolution and replaced by workers state. One's attitude towards bourgeois state is we should draw the final line between reformist and revolutionist. A massive explosion of workers struggle in the 1980s was a key factor contributing to the negotiated end to apartheid rule. Another was the counterrevolutionary destruction of the Soviet degenerated workers state, whose existence had provided the ANC room to manoeuvre in the Cold War divide between the USSA on the one hand and the US and other imperialist powers on the othe hand, with Soviets providing military aid to the ANC. The white rulers, backed by the imperialists became confident that capitalists profits could be maintained by installing a black government. Cde Malema cannot be charge of his conduct as he is exposing the danger of yellow communist and their fake accent with regards to what working class stand for. Julius is correct leader of the ANCYL, SACP portrayed 1996 ANC leadership as project instead of telling the truth that ANC from its inception was also formed by aspirant bourgeois, black elite and so forth. There is no other way in which working class can drive ANC for socialist revolution it would seem defeating the character of the ANC as it was for minority black elites. Julius is assisting us the working class as we are only able to overthrow capitalist state when there is nation-wide state crisis, but with current reformist whom they are comfortable at parliament backed by their positions in their respective organization and continue to blindfold workers through advocacy of NDR that suggest that capitalist class and working class can find their objectives through one common programme remains yellow. We should be able to define our struggle for purpose of revolution. Vanguard Mokwena ANCYL Member [North-West] From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of sabelo gina Sent: 20 April 2010 05:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Malema charged! Mr Botipe, I see many angles of a debate that can be generated by the article, you just chose one and concluded that all members of the forum think like you. For example, Plekhanov wrote about the role of an individual many years ago, why don't you think members of the forum can discuss that seminal contribution by Plekhanov. In trying to stop the debate, you start a debate about disrespect for ANC decisions and you went further to comment on the outcome of the DC and what it will not do. You are wrong. I am sure supporters of Mr Goniwe, they included Mbeki at the time who was a sitting President, wished for a different outcome, but the ANC took a decision and because they are not the ANC as individuals, the decision of the ANC stood and today Mr Goniwe is in the dustbin of our short history as a democratic country.The similar thing happened to the General of the Transkei Defence Force, the man who provided a shelter for our own Thembisile Hani in Transkei, he had the support of powerful people in the ANC who all respected the decision of the ANC. Who are you as compared to those people? It is interesting that you want to reduce President Zuma into SALGA on the SAMWU dispute.Current SALGA is led by the same people that led it under President Mbeki because local government elections is only next year. We need to win the local governments elections and for that we need the ANC to be branded properly with no individual presenting himself or herself as the ANC. Do not undermine the intelligence of members of the forum. The ANC decision must be respected on this matter. The accused will not gain anything by grandstanding in public, the due process will need to be followed when it starts. Regards, Sabelo. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 5:02 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: I have raised teh issue of anti-Malema sentiments that have become a norm with this forum. One expects to find such boring articles from fellow comrades in the forum who have become the obvious proponents of hatred against Cde. Julius. We heard the whole thing about the President of the ANC Youth League being charged. Can w get original ideas, than your media stories. Is that how we hace degenerated into the culture of celebrating each other's failures or when fellow comrades are lampooned in the media? Have we ran out of subjects for discssions? Have we not have enough Eastern Europen discussioin and quotes on communism and the likes? Clearly the revolution is becoming a joke. We have indeed become an anti-Malema forum and I am hoping, together with those who are scared to speak on the anti-Malema forum, that this behaviour stops. None of those who have the energy to send bile here dare speak on the failing SAMWU-SALGA talks, which should at least make us reflect on being a worker in the Zuma-led SA, possibly comparing it to the Mbeki era. Perhaos people can still send such articles from their favourite newspapers. The fact is, whether comrades here push the anti-malema nonsense or not, he is not going anywhere and even the DC won't expel him, as some of you wish so. He will even get a second term, through being elected by the conference, and only the conference can decide if they do not want him. Not any forum or media campaign. Malema Charged2010-04-18 13:00 > > Sabelo Ndlangisa, Piet Rampedi and George Matlala > > THE ANC has charged its youth leader Julius Malema with misconduct. > > The disciplinary process will take place at a meeting of the ruling > party's > top six officials at Luthuli House tomorrow. > > The meeting comes just days after ANC secretary-general Gwede Mantashe > served Malema with a letter notifying him of pending -disciplinary action > against him. > > In the letter Mantashe apparently expressed the ruling party's displeasure > at Malema's threat to continue singing the song Dubul'ibhunu - albeit in a > revised form - and for kicking out BBC journalist Jonah Fisher from an > ANCYL > press -conference earlier this month. > > Several ANCYL leaders confirmed the existence of the letter and a text > message that youth league spokesperson Floyd Shivambu sent to the league's > provincial leaders informing them that the ANC had charged Malema with > ill-discipline. > > In the text Shivambu also called on -provincial leaders to issue > statements > to local media in support of Malema. > > "ANC outgoing secretary-general Gwede Mantashe has written a letter to ANC > Youth League president charging him with ill-discipline for speaking on > behalf of the youth league on revolutionary songs, expression of shock > with > the public condemnation and the BBC journalist incident. Provinces are > requested to release statements in defence of the president. > > Please target your local media and forward all statements to > [email protected]. Floyd," the text says. > > Yesterday Shivambu denied any knowledge of Malema being charged. He > confirmed the existence of the text message but denied that it came from > him. > > He said he received it from SACP spokesperson Malesela Maleka. Shivambu > then > paused briefly and asked someone driving in the same car with him whether > he > should confirm the charges. > > The voice of a male could be heard -saying, "No! Do not confirm it." > > Shivambu then added: "The president does not know, as well, about that." > > A source in the Eastern Cape ANCYL confirmed that Malema had been charged > and that Shivambu had sent the message. > > Other ANCYL leaders from the Free State and Limpopo also confirmed it. > > Last week Mantashe, ANC treasurer-general Mathews Phosa and President > Jacob > Zuma publicly condemned -Malema's behaviour. > > Zuma and Mantashe implied that there would be sanctions and consequences > for > Malema's "alien" behaviour. > > After Zuma's statement Malema expressed shock that the president had > publicly rebuked him when there were established guidelines in the ruling > party on how to deal with internal squabbles. > > Speaking at the funeral service of former South African Congress of Trade > Unions leader Leslie Masina at Rhema Church in Randburg, Johannesburg, > yesterday, Zuma said it was the ANC, not he, that had rebuked Malema. > > "If Zuma said something, don't say -Zuma said; it is the ANC. Let us think > before we act, particularly in public," he said. > An ANCYL insider blamed Cosatu and some of Zuma's close lieutenants in > -Cabinet for putting pressure on Zuma to publicly denounce Malema. The > insider said the likes of Minister in the Presidency Collins Chabane - a > close friend of Malema challenger Lehlogonolo Masoga - were unhappy > because > they had lost control of Limpopo. -Masoga lodged an appeal against the > outcome of last week's ANCYL provincial conference, where he lost the race > for the league's provincial chair to Malema's ally, Frans Moswane. > > "They will not succeed. Julius and -Zuma come a long way. Julius defended > Zuma when it was not fashionable to do so," said the source. > > By late Friday afternoon pro-Malema youth leaders were preparing to defend > him against what they see as an ANC -onslaught on their leader. > > One of them, KwaZulu-Natal Lower Coast regional secretary Wandile Mkhize > said the ruling party had no right to charge Malema because he had spoken > or > acted on the league's behalf. > > "If the ANC is bitter with the things Julius has said they must charge the > youth league as an organisation. If Julius is wrong, he will be > disciplined > by us members of the youth league," Mkhize said. > > ANC spokesperson Jackson Mthembu would neither conform nor deny that the > party had charged Malema. > > "If he is or he is not, it is an ANC matter. It has nothing to do with the > press or the public. Therefore, we would not comment," Mthembu said > yesterday. > > -- > You are subscribed. 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