Comrades I think anti Malema sentiments is to ask where is the voice of ANC YL when we speak about labour brokers aand YL voice is mute. How black diamonds are going to shine?
--- On Tue, 4/20/10, Thembinkosi Josopu <[email protected]> wrote: From: Thembinkosi Josopu <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Malema charged! To: [email protected] Cc: "yclsa-eom-forum" <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 9:56 AM Can I be assisted what is an Anti-Malema sentiment? Cde Botipe why don't you initiate a discussion on a state of workers under the current administration, who do you expect to start the debate. you also have a right to start discussions nkokheli...in you I see someone who want to be projected as caring and progressive...and that is an old trick on the book my leader, try something else at least you are dealing with not only matured but well informed individuals here... Cde Bernard you seem to be having political binoculars since you are privy to the agenda as pursued by VC, please be explicit and tell us what it is, so that the VC doesn't drag us along to his agenda, comrades would agree that week in week out we engage on ideological matters here unless you having a different understanding further we should not be economical with truth here the VC has sent a variety of articles in this platform which are not about Mr malema, lets not forget easily comrades... I for one wont be misled by your weak name-calling defense mechanism simply because it is tired... Thembinkosi Josopu Student Admissions & Advocacy Services University of Cape Town Level 3, Kramer Law building Middle Campus Rondebosch,7700 Tel :021-650-2429 Fax:021-650-4014 "A great leader's courage to fulfill his vision comes from passion, not position" >>> "Godfrey Simelane" <[email protected]> 2010/04/20 08:07 AM >>> Chief So why are you concluding that he will get a second term if you say its only the conference that can decide ? Are you THE conference chief ? You are 100 percent correct when you say this forum is anti-malema and some of us are now tired of contributing any ideas since we realized that there is a comrade here who is pushing his own personal interest(VC). BUT again its not for you to tell us what the conference is going to decide. >>> <[email protected]> 4/19/2010 5:02 PM >>> I have raised teh issue of anti-Malema sentiments that have become a norm with this forum. One expects to find such boring articles from fellow comrades in the forum who have become the obvious proponents of hatred against Cde. Julius. We heard the whole thing about the President of the ANC Youth League being charged. Can w get original ideas, than your media stories. Is that how we hace degenerated into the culture of celebrating each other's failures or when fellow comrades are lampooned in the media? Have we ran out of subjects for discssions? Have we not have enough Eastern Europen discussioin and quotes on communism and the likes? Clearly the revolution is becoming a joke. We have indeed become an anti-Malema forum and I am hoping, together with those who are scared to speak on the anti-Malema forum, that this behaviour stops. None of those who have the energy to send bile here dare speak on the failing SAMWU-SALGA talks, which should at least make us reflect on being a worker in the Zuma-led SA, possibly comparing it to the Mbeki era. Perhaos people can still send such articles from their favourite newspapers. The fact is, whether comrades here push the anti-malema nonsense or not, he is not going anywhere and even the DC won't expel him, as some of you wish so. He will even get a second term, through being elected by the conference, and only the conference can decide if they do not want him. Not any forum or media campaign. Malema Charged2010-04-18 13:00 > > Sabelo Ndlangisa, Piet Rampedi and George Matlala > > THE ANC has charged its youth leader Julius Malema with misconduct. > > The disciplinary process will take place at a meeting of the ruling > party’s > top six officials at Luthuli House tomorrow. > > The meeting comes just days after ANC secretary-general Gwede Mantashe > served Malema with a letter notifying him of pending -disciplinary action > against him. > > In the letter Mantashe apparently expressed the ruling party’s displeasure > at Malema’s threat to continue singing the song Dubul’ibhunu – albeit in a > revised form – and for kicking out BBC journalist Jonah Fisher from an > ANCYL > press -conference earlier this month. > > Several ANCYL leaders confirmed the existence of the letter and a text > message that youth league spokesperson Floyd Shivambu sent to the league’s > provincial leaders informing them that the ANC had charged Malema with > ill-discipline. > > In the text Shivambu also called on -provincial leaders to issue > statements > to local media in support of Malema. > > “ANC outgoing secretary-general Gwede Mantashe has written a letter to ANC > Youth League president charging him with ill-discipline for speaking on > behalf of the youth league on revolutionary songs, expression of shock > with > the public condemnation and the BBC journalist incident. Provinces are > requested to release statements in defence of the president. > > Please target your local media and forward all statements to > [email protected]. Floyd,” the text says. > > Yesterday Shivambu denied any knowledge of Malema being charged. He > confirmed the existence of the text message but denied that it came from > him. > > He said he received it from SACP spokesperson Malesela Maleka. Shivambu > then > paused briefly and asked someone driving in the same car with him whether > he > should confirm the charges. > > The voice of a male could be heard -saying, “No! Do not confirm it.” > > Shivambu then added: “The president does not know, as well, about that.” > > A source in the Eastern Cape ANCYL confirmed that Malema had been charged > and that Shivambu had sent the message. > > Other ANCYL leaders from the Free State and Limpopo also confirmed it. > > Last week Mantashe, ANC treasurer-general Mathews Phosa and President > Jacob > Zuma publicly condemned -Malema’s behaviour. > > Zuma and Mantashe implied that there would be sanctions and consequences > for > Malema’s “alien” behaviour. > > After Zuma’s statement Malema expressed shock that the president had > publicly rebuked him when there were established guidelines in the ruling > party on how to deal with internal squabbles. > > Speaking at the funeral service of former South African Congress of Trade > Unions leader Leslie Masina at Rhema Church in Randburg, Johannesburg, > yesterday, Zuma said it was the ANC, not he, that had rebuked Malema. > > “If Zuma said something, don’t say -Zuma said; it is the ANC. Let us think > before we act, particularly in public,” he said. > An ANCYL insider blamed Cosatu and some of Zuma’s close lieutenants in > -Cabinet for putting pressure on Zuma to publicly denounce Malema. The > insider said the likes of Minister in the Presidency Collins Chabane – a > close friend of Malema challenger Lehlogonolo Masoga – were unhappy > because > they had lost control of Limpopo. -Masoga lodged an appeal against the > outcome of last week’s ANCYL provincial conference, where he lost the race > for the league’s provincial chair to Malema’s ally, Frans Moswane. > > “They will not succeed. Julius and -Zuma come a long way. Julius defended > Zuma when it was not fashionable to do so,” said the source. > > By late Friday afternoon pro-Malema youth leaders were preparing to defend > him against what they see as an ANC -onslaught on their leader. > > One of them, KwaZulu-Natal Lower Coast regional secretary Wandile Mkhize > said the ruling party had no right to charge Malema because he had spoken > or > acted on the league’s behalf. > > “If the ANC is bitter with the things Julius has said they must charge the > youth league as an organisation. If Julius is wrong, he will be > disciplined > by us members of the youth league,” Mkhize said. > > ANC spokesperson Jackson Mthembu would neither conform nor deny that the > party had charged Malema. > > “If he is or he is not, it is an ANC matter. It has nothing to do with the > press or the public. Therefore, we would not comment,” Mthembu said > yesterday. > > -- > You are subscribed. 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