"Matemba ayena…" what? debating? On 20 April 2010 14:30, Khutjo Mphahlele < [email protected]> wrote:
> Viva ..Mayibuye ANCYL mayibuye…Matemba ayena… > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Skizo Skizo > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 20, 2010 2:19 PM > *To:* [email protected] > > *Subject:* Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Malema charged! > > > > An attack to malame is an attack to the youth as a whole.Malema is one > of our own. > > > > Viva Mbarks Viva. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Johannes Molungoa <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected]; [email protected] > *Cc:* yclsa-eom-forum <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Tue, April 20, 2010 10:43:11 AM > *Subject:* Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Malema charged! > > > Comrades > > > > I think anti Malema sentiments is to ask where is the voice of ANC YL when > we speak about labour brokers aand YL voice is mute. How black diamonds are > going to shine? > > --- On *Tue, 4/20/10, Thembinkosi Josopu <[email protected]>*wrote: > > > From: Thembinkosi Josopu <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Malema charged! > To: [email protected] > Cc: "yclsa-eom-forum" <[email protected]> > Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 9:56 AM > > Can I be assisted what is an Anti-Malema sentiment? > > > > Cde Botipe why don't you initiate a discussion on a state of workers under > the current administration, who do you expect to start the debate. you also > have a right to start discussions nkokheli...in you I see someone who want > to be projected as caring and progressive...and that is an old trick on the > book my leader, try something else at least you are dealing with not > only matured but well informed individuals here... > > > > Cde Bernard you seem to be having political binoculars since you are privy > to the agenda as pursued by VC, please be explicit and tell us what it > is, so that the VC doesn't drag us along to his agenda, comrades would agree > that week in week out we engage on ideological matters here unless you > having a different understanding further we should not be economical with > truth here the VC has sent a variety of articles in this platform which are > not about Mr malema, lets not forget easily comrades... > > > > I for one wont be misled by your weak name-calling defense mechanism simply > because it is tired... > > > > > > > > > > *Thembinkosi Josopu* > > *Student Admissions & Advocacy Services* > > *University of Cape Town* > > *Level 3, Kramer Law building* > > *Middle Campus* > > *Rondebosch,7700* > > *Tel :021-650-2429* > > *Fax:021-650-4014* > > > > > > *"A great leader's courage to fulfill his vision comes from passion, not > position"* > > > > >>> "Godfrey Simelane" <[email protected]> 2010/04/20 08:07 AM >>> > Chief > > So why are you concluding that he will get a second term if you say > its only the conference that can decide ? Are you THE conference chief > ? > > You are 100 percent correct when you say this forum is anti-malema and > some of us are now tired of contributing any ideas since we realized > that there is a comrade here who is pushing his own personal > interest(VC). BUT again its not for you to tell us what the conference > is going to decide. > > > > >>> <[email protected]> 4/19/2010 5:02 PM >>> > > > I have raised teh issue of anti-Malema sentiments that have become a > norm > with this forum. One expects to find such boring articles from fellow > comrades in the forum who have become the obvious proponents of hatred > against Cde. Julius. > > We heard the whole thing about the President of the ANC Youth League > being > charged. Can w get original ideas, than your media stories. Is that how > we > hace degenerated into the culture of celebrating each other's failures > or > when fellow comrades are lampooned in the media? Have we ran out of > subjects for discssions? Have we not have enough Eastern Europen > discussioin and quotes on communism and the likes? Clearly the > revolution > is becoming a joke. > > We have indeed become an anti-Malema forum and I am hoping, together > with > those who are scared to speak on the anti-Malema forum, that this > behaviour stops. > None of those who have the energy to send bile here dare speak on the > failing SAMWU-SALGA talks, which should at least make us reflect on > being > a worker in the Zuma-led SA, possibly comparing it to the Mbeki era. > Perhaos people can still send such articles from their favourite > newspapers. > > The fact is, whether comrades here push the anti-malema nonsense or > not, > he is not going anywhere and even the DC won't expel him, as some of > you > wish so. He will even get a second term, through being elected by the > conference, and only the conference can decide if they do not want > him. > > Not any forum or media campaign. > > > > > > Malema Charged2010-04-18 13:00 > > > > Sabelo Ndlangisa, Piet Rampedi and George Matlala > > > > THE ANC has charged its youth leader Julius Malema with misconduct. > > > > The disciplinary process will take place at a meeting of the ruling > > party’s > > top six officials at Luthuli House tomorrow. > > > > The meeting comes just days after ANC secretary-general Gwede > Mantashe > > served Malema with a letter notifying him of pending -disciplinary > action > > against him. > > > > In the letter Mantashe apparently expressed the ruling party’s > displeasure > > at Malema’s threat to continue singing the song Dubul’ibhunu – > albeit in a > > revised form – and for kicking out BBC journalist Jonah Fisher from > an > > ANCYL > > press -conference earlier this month. > > > > Several ANCYL leaders confirmed the existence of the letter and a > text > > message that youth league spokesperson Floyd Shivambu sent to the > league’s > > provincial leaders informing them that the ANC had charged Malema > with > > ill-discipline. > > > > In the text Shivambu also called on -provincial leaders to issue > > statements > > to local media in support of Malema. > > > > “ANC outgoing secretary-general Gwede Mantashe has written a letter > to ANC > > Youth League president charging him with ill-discipline for speaking > on > > behalf of the youth league on revolutionary songs, expression of > shock > > with > > the public condemnation and the BBC journalist incident. Provinces > are > > requested to release statements in defence of the president. > > > > Please target your local media and forward all statements to > > [email protected]. Floyd,” the text says. > > > > Yesterday Shivambu denied any knowledge of Malema being charged. He > > confirmed the existence of the text message but denied that it came > from > > him. > > > > He said he received it from SACP spokesperson Malesela Maleka. > Shivambu > > then > > paused briefly and asked someone driving in the same car with him > whether > > he > > should confirm the charges. > > > > The > voice of a male could be heard -saying, “No! Do not confirm > it.” > > > > Shivambu then added: “The president does not know, as well, about > that.” > > > > A source in the Eastern Cape ANCYL confirmed that Malema had been > charged > > and that Shivambu had sent the message. > > > > Other ANCYL leaders from the Free State and Limpopo also confirmed > it. > > > > Last week Mantashe, ANC treasurer-general Mathews Phosa and > President > > Jacob > > Zuma publicly condemned -Malema’s behaviour. > > > > Zuma and Mantashe implied that there would be sanctions and > consequences > > for > > Malema’s “alien” behaviour. > > > > After Zuma’s statement Malema expressed shock that the president > had > > publicly rebuked him when there were established guidelines in the > ruling > > party on how to deal with internal squabbles. > > > > Speaking at the funeral service of former South African Congress of > Trade > > Unions leader Leslie Masina at Rhema Church in Randburg, > Johannesburg, > > yesterday, Zuma said it was the ANC, not he, that had rebuked > Malema. > > > > “If Zuma said something, don’t say -Zuma said; it is the ANC. Let > us think > > before we act, particularly in public,” he said. > > An ANCYL insider blamed Cosatu and some of Zuma’s close lieutenants > in > > -Cabinet for putting pressure on Zuma to publicly denounce Malema. > The > > insider said the likes of Minister in the Presidency Collins Chabane > – a > > close friend of Malema challenger Lehlogonolo Masoga – were > unhappy > > because > > they had lost control of Limpopo. -Masoga lodged an appeal against > the > > outcome of last week’s ANCYL provincial conference, where he lost > the race > > for the league’s provincial chair to Malema’s ally, Frans > Moswane. > > > > “They will not succeed. Julius and -Zuma come a long way. Julius > defended > > Zuma when it was not fashionable to do so,” said the source. > > > > By late Friday afternoon pro-Malema youth leaders were preparing to > defend > > him against what they see as an ANC -onslaught on their leader. > > > > One of them, KwaZulu-Natal Lower Coast regional secretary Wandile > Mkhize > > said the ruling party had no right to charge Malema because he had > spoken > > or > > acted on the league’s behalf. > > > > “If the ANC is bitter with the things Julius has said they must > charge the > > youth league as an organisation. If Julius is wrong, he will be > > disciplined > > by us members of the youth league,” Mkhize said. > > > > ANC spokesperson Jackson Mthembu would neither conform nor deny that > the > > party had charged Malema. > > > > “If he is or he is not, it is an ANC matter. It has nothing to do > with the > > press or the public. Therefore, we would not comment,” Mthembu > said > > yesterday. > > > > -- > > You are subscribed. 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