May be it was nt meant to fly, how about noting and debating, we cannot debate what sounds nice to you unfortunately, we debate what is relevant to us as revolutionaries including such devisive statements, we are not a forum of back laping, we are a forum of a robust debate, thank you my leader, hope you get the point one day
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 03:17:36 -0700 From: [email protected] Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion] A RESPONSE TO CDE DEPUTY PRESIDENT ANDILE LUNGISA To: [email protected] Comrades, I think you're over trivialising this when the call is actually genuine. Cde Gugu ws simply making a plea to comrades to refrain from using this forum to lambast other formations. Does it hurt? The message is crystal clear and I do not see a reason for Gugu to dignify any of the uncouth comments with a response. Constructive engagement cannot be superseded by posting of unproductive and divisive statements to the forum. It will never fly! Morgan "Sometimes, if you wear suits for too long, it changes your ideology." - Joe Slovo --- On Wed, 7/14/10, sithembele senti <[email protected]> wrote: From: sithembele senti <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion] A RESPONSE TO CDE DEPUTY PRESIDENT ANDILE LUNGISA To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 9:47 AM Well said Cde President. Cde Gugu greetings to you too, Its correct that the forum belongs to us,the membership of YCLSA, however the forum,s purpose is not to discuss YCLSA issues/matters as such, because there are constitutional structures of YCLSA to do that as you may well be aware. the objective of the forum, I argue, is to debate issues that concerns our body politic, give them proper analysis, conceptualize as to what is their meaning to our revolutionary struggle and build consensus around what revolutionary coarse of action to take, For a record, Cde Gugu, cosatu also posts (correctly so) on every day basis on the very forum issues they think are of the importance to young communists like us to note and debate if necessary and you never say that is wrong or claimed ownership to the forum like you do now. So please Cdes if you happen to be irritated by a particular post, ignore it and read those that interests your appetite. Tolerance is key to us as communists. By the way ANCYL is a an intergral part of the ANC, a vehicle by which, chief amongst the others, we drive our National Democratic Revolution, so to say that the state of the ANCYL is an unwarranted post in this forum is wrong and totally embarrasing for a communist in a leadership position like you, thank you. Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:22:40 +0200 Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] A RESPONSE TO CDE DEPUTY PRESIDENT ANDILE LUNGISA From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Gugu, You are behaving like Phil Molefe now, what is wrong with people posting their statement. Regards, Sabelo On 7/14/10, Gugu Ndima <[email protected]> wrote: Greetings cadres, Can we kindly respect that this is a YCLSA discussion forum We respect that we are equally members within PYA structures, but this is not a platform for lambasting other formations. There has been consistent publication of Youth League statements and so on. Its imperative that we keep abreast with issues, however lets minimise turning the Discussion forum into a YL monitoring tool and a platform to perpetuate propaganda around the YL Lets continue to constructively engage on issues cadres Communist regards Cde. Gugu On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 2:57 PM, sithembele senti <[email protected]> wrote: ANCYL Limpopo Media Statement (For immediate release) “Ill-discipline can never be discipline yesterday, ill-discipline today and discipline tomorrow” The ANCYL Provincial Executive Committee in Limpopo has noted with shock the so called statement released yesterday by the Deputy President Cde Andile Lungisa distancing himself from any leadership contest and denouncing the ill-discipline. We must at the outset indicate that as things stands now there is no process we know of to nominate candidates for leadership positions in the NEC of our organization and therefore the issue of contest does not arise. Secondly that since there is no any branch that has nominated Cde Deputy President or any other comrade for any position therefore he has no basis to distance himself from any contestation for leadership position. The development does not come as a surprise because we have experienced these types of tendencies in the movement in the recent past wherein leaders are cajoled to sign-off unwarranted public statements to humiliate them and ruin their prospects of ascending to positions of leadership. Lastly, that we do not need the permission of any individual to decide on our choice of candidates for leadership positions. Nevertheless, we wish to reaffirm our full confidence in the Deputy President until the 2011 national conference. We further wish to state that indeed we agree with the Deputy President when he argues that “as a disciplined member of the organization, I hold a view that those who take the ANC Youth League to court are ill-disciplined, because disciplined members of the organization discuss issues within the organization and accept all the principles of democratic centralism”. However, we must state that this latest development was introduced into the organization by our national leadership in April 2010 during the infamous Makhado conference wherein leadership opened a case against one of their own that ultimately ended up in the court of law. A wrong and dangerous precedent was set by national leadership which Cde Andile Lungisa is part of. The court case against our Provincial Deputy Secretary Cde Thandi Moraka was reaffirmed by the last NEC meeting presided over by the ANCYL presidency. Therefore, if there is any finger intending to point at ill-discipline - that finger must be well directed. Ill-discipline can never be discipline yesterday, ill-discipline today and discipline tomorrow, etc. There must be consistency. We can only hope and wish that the Deputy President is the legitimate owner of this serious statement made out of own will. We further wish to reaffirm our undiluted support for the application that our Provincial Chairperson Cde Lehlogonolo Masoga made before the Johannesburg High Court. We will mobilize our members to pledge solidarity with him on 13th July 2010, primarily because he represents our views and aspiration. He is a victim of a well orchestrated agenda to eliminate key comrades from the organization that was launched during the Makhado conference. We fill fight until we finally defeat this agenda. Issue by the ANC Youth League Limpopo Contact: Media Enquiries: Eric Hlungwani: 072 113 9771 09/07/10 Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. -- You are subscribed. This footer can help you. 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