Cde Ian You are back to your old song about the MDC-US/UK intelligence! To date you have not provided any iota of evidence. Its a tired debate, which you have failed to tilt in your favour, as such I will leave it there.
The weaknesses of the MDC are clear for all to see. Those weaknesses have nothing to do with some imagined links to US/UK intelligence. As a matter of fact, one of the cardinal weaknesses of the MDC is precisely that it has no meaningful internal or external intelligence. The weaknesses of the MDC arise from a post colonial class and or group of leadership of the MDC which has not understood class politics. Its is a generational weaknesses, and again this has nothing to to with the US/UK intelligence. The MDC is weak because of its position in the post-colonial history of Zimbabwe. There is nothing more the MDC, in its current out look, can do to better the lives the people of Zimbabwe. It has reached its historical limit. What needs to be done is just obvious. What I am emphasising is that do not confuse the inherent and clear weaknesses of the MDC, which we all acknowledge as card carrying members of the MDC, with some imagination about US/UK intelligence. If there was ever such a deep link between the MDC and the US/UK intelligence which can and could not be fought, I would be the first to hand in my membership card. This issues of yours just makes me insane. Back to the ZAPU issue. I learnt of similar hallucinations over the weekend from a comrade in the SACP over the weekend. Where are you people getting this outrageous thing about ZAPU? There is no, and there will never be such a thing about ZAPU in modern Zimbabwe. We are the Zimbabweans and we are telling you so. It will and will never work. We are long past liberation parties. With Communist love from Zimbabwe Comradely Cde Mlilo On 9/5/10, Ian Beddowes <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear Comrade, > > Like many others, you understand bthe class questions, but not the question > of anti-imperialism. There can NEVER be a link between the MDC, with its > close ties to US/UK intelligence and any form of communist party. The > strategy of SADC has been very clear, though often for diplomatic reasons > they do not articulate the problem. They are fed-up with Mugabe but will do > allin their power to prevent an MDC takeover.The reason for sanctions and > the destabilisation campaign against Zimbabwe is mostly because of the > defeat of the US in the 2nd Congo War, which prevented not only their > takeover of Congo, but also of Angola. The fear, based on intelligence > sources and the general declared policy of the US to establish bases > throughout Africa is the biggest fear. Apart from some Trotskyist/liberal > elements in the SACP. The battle for the hearts and minds of the communist > movement worldwide is about persuading them that ZANU and Mugabe are wrong. > At a recent meeting of African Communist parties > in Johannesburg, there was still huge support for Mugabe, non for MDC. > > Your contention that ZAPU is not a serious contender: the size of the > recent congress and the huge delegations coming from places far outside > Matabeleland, such as Hurungwe and Chipinge gives the lie to your > contention. No party will win outright if there is an immediate election. > But ZAPU is growing at the expense of the other two, on its way swallowing > most of ZANU(PF) in Matabeleland, almost all of the Mutambara MDC, almost > all of the Zvobgo faction of ZANU(PF) and the UPP in Masvingo. Almost all of > ZANU (Ndonga). Given sober reckoning, an immediate election would give ZAPU > 20% - 30% of the vote. Another year of organisation should give us far more. > True, we are still weak in Mashonaland Central, Mashonaland East and Harare, > nevertheless our growth rate since the Convention of 2008 has been > substantial and following the first full congress since the pull-out, which > now givesw us a substantive policy base and leadership, the growth rate will > now accelerate. > -----Original message----- > From: Nqobizitha Mlilo M [email protected] > Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 13:05:50 +0300 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ZAPU Congress and ZIMCOM Publishers. > > > Cde Ian > > > > I trust you are well my leader. > > > > I have for a long time hesitated to address you on this ZAPU thing that > you > > always making reference to. I can see however that you do not intend to > > stop. Let me try then my leader ! > > > > The reality is that the political currency of ZAPU has long weakened, if > not > > out right expired. > > > > I submit without, hesitation, that there is no meaningful role which a > group > > of people attempting to do that which only Father Zimbabwe, Joshua Nkomo > > could do can do. To state or pretend otherwise is as futile as trying to > > reverse time. > > > > While it is correct that the MDC has for all sorts of reasons, failed to > > articulate a clear, unequivocal and most importantly, consistent pan > African > > and working class ideological orientation, to engage oneself in imaginary > > politics will not assist in creating a political framework suitable for, > and > > needed by the working people of Zimbabwe. > > > > I can, and do appreciate the attachment, in most cases emotional, cdes > may > > have, in particular cdes in the ANC, with ZAPU given the history of the > two > > organisations-but it must end there. > > > > The sooner there is a realisation of the obvious, which is that Zimbabwe > > needs a new political vehicle anchored by a Communist Party (Zimbabwe > > Communist Party) the better for everyone concerned with the plight of the > > people of Zimbabwe. > > > > Zimbabwe, and here I mean Zimbabweans, have long moved away from > unbridled > > attachment to liberation politics, parties and movements. Zimbabweans > have > > been betrayed, in varying degrees by the two main liberation movements, > > ZANU and ZAPU and after the Unity Accord , ZANU (PF), that while they > > appreciate, accept and and indeed honour the sacrifices made in the > defeat > > of (political) imperialism and colonialism, they long for a post colonial > > movement which carries the same values as those which brought the > formation > > of the liberation movements and brought many to fight imperialism and > > colonialism. > > > > Zimbabweans want the values which the liberation movements carried at the > > crucial time, but they nolonger want the liberation movements themselves > > because they betrayed them. They want those (liberation) values in a new > > post colonial formation. Put more honestly, they wish MDC could speak the > > language of a liberation movement. They will never trust both ZANU PF, > ZAPU > > and anyone claiming to be the authentic reflection of either. Is this not > > just obvious? > > > > We should not tire in winning back the MDC and ensuring the the working > > class are dominant in what is otherwise their creation. ZAPU today and > ever > > will not achieve anything and later alone be taken seriously by any > critical > > mass in Zimbabwe. > > > > Be that as it may, Zimbabweans wishing to organise themselves into what > they > > would otherwise call a political party are more than, in fact encouraged > to > > do so for the sake of multi-party democracy, but let there be no > illusions > > and in particular the planning of illusions in the minds of those beyond > the > > geographic area of Zimbabwe who are concerned about the working people of > > Zimbabwe. > > > > Comradely > > > > With communist love from Zimbabwe. > > > > Mlilo > > > > > > On 9/3/10, Ian Beddowes <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > The 9th Congress of ZAPU, and the first full congress since withdrawal > from > > > the Unity Accord with ZANU(PF) took place from Friday 27th to Sunday > 29th > > > August at the Trade Fair, Bulawayo, Zimbabwe. On the first day there > were > > > about 3 000 delegates. On the second day buses were still pouring in > from > > > places like Hurungwe, Chipinge and Binga, very far from Bulawayo. > Anybody > > > still with the impression that ZAPU is a regional party had that > illusion > > > shattered by the large delegations coming not only fom every province > of > > > Zimbabwe but also from South Africa, Uk and Canada. > > > > > > The ideological and economic policy documents clearly put ZAPU in line > with > > > all those parties and governments pursuing a National Democratic > agenda. > > > When these become available, I will post them on this forum. > > > > > > Also, at the Congress, as Editor of ZIMCOM Publishers, I was allowed a > > > short time to talk about the publishing house and the current worldwide > > > growth in revolutionary democracy and communist party membership in > many > > > countries. I spoke openly about the creation of ZIMCOM Political > Education > > > Groups as the first step towards establishing a Zimbabwe Communist > Party. I > > > received rapturous applause: more importantly, the first staps towards > > > creating groups in 5 centres, including Harare and Bulawayo, has > already > > > begun. > > > > > > -- > > > You are subscribed. This footer can help you. > > > Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply > to > > > this message. > > > You can visit the group WEB SITE at > > > http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery > > > options, pages, files and membership. > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email > [email protected]. You don't have to put > anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to > > > put anything in the message part. All you have to do is to send an > e-mail to > > > this address (repeat): [email protected] . > > > > > > > -- > > You are subscribed. 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